The Expertise stat has to go...

the stat is there to prevent raiders from coming in to WZ in the end game raid gear and ripping apart the pvpers who don't raid and don't want to raid. you want an example of this.

in wow before resilience the hardcore endgame raiders ruled the BG's why cause their gear was better then what pvpers could get.

its a why should i have to PVE to have the gear to pvp argument.

and don't say that separates them cause it doesn't. u can do bother alot of the top raiders are also accomplished pvpers

Stop thinking like all the fail itemization Devs, adn read this thread. I have already proposed an itemization system that removes the PvP stat and keeps the situation you describe from happening.

The solution is not to make PvE gear the best by removing PvP stat, but to make PvP gear and PvE exactly the same. Thus player only chooses the way to obtain the gear, and is not locked out of the other half of the game as an added bonus. This way more players can experience the full spectrum of content.

Problem is not that PVP stats or gear exists , problem is that PVE gear is too hard to obtain while PVP gear is very easy to obtain.
Lets be honest, if you are noob you can not kill the end boss from some mega instance, and it needs a skill to do it BUT what skill does it need to get PVP gear right now ? Now skill involved, just a time . Even if you lose you get your warzone commendations and even if they were geven when you win sooner or later you would win .

Fail in this system is that 50% of players after 1 warzone gets part of the currency to buy PVP gear , while in PVE only about 5% - 15% of players can kill end boss and get the best PVE gear becuz it requires a skill.

Day one of UO was PvP first. I hadn't even killed a rabbit yet and I got ganked leaving town. I was needless to say pretty shocked. It however was game on and the only thing in games that got my blood flowing.

That is what people seem to not understand. The pvp gear cap is pretty low. In rift playing against top ranked players as a new 50 was worse than playing capped 50s as a level 12 here. More and more people will become capped and the dynamic changes.

Also there is no better time to improve your pvp game then to be completely outmatched as you fight to survive and matter. My times of greatest improvement in mmogs always comes when I am facing certain doom. It forces me to work with my full skill set and develop new strategies.

I love how PVEers come to the PVP forum to complain about PVP.
Expertise is here to stay get over it.

Leave our PvP alone, carebear commie.

Some people are so short sighted... as an avid pvper you should hope and pray that more people partake in pvp. The higher percentage of people that pvp the more time and money BioWare will spend in developing pvp. If you gear gate / road block newer players from joining in then the number of people who will actively pvp will dwindle and then BioWare will spend their money and time elsewhere. If this goes on long enough the top x% of pvpers will be circle jerking with themselves because most new players will just hit that gear wall and give up.

If people are worried about being blown up in 2 hits in pvp then there are other ways to prevent this instead of throwing a pvp stat on gear. If this is the only way then allow people to slowly build up to max expertise by adding a small % or expertise to lev 20 / 40 gear so players do not hit that wall so hard.

Expertise/Valor/Resilience is the dumbest mechanic that has ever been put into a MMORPG.

Bioware says they are all about community, but all they achieve with this stat is divide the community.

Instead of a beautiful system that WaR (rest of the game was bad) and DAOC (great for its time) was that people that wanted to raid could get gear from PvE, but could also PvP when they wanted to.

People that wanted to PvP could get gear from that and join their buddies on the weekend for some raids.

If Bioware was smart (which including Expertise in the first place suggests their PvP designers aren't) they would make getting raid level and max PvP level gear take just as long, but allow players who gained gear via one activity participate in the other activity just as well as their counterparts.
-as far as gear is concerned they should be equal, but the PvPer will still be better than the PvEr at PvP, and maybe vice versa. PvPers don't need a special stat to reward them. A real PvPers TRUE STAT is himself AND his SKILL. Not some arbitrary game mechanic that says hey look at me! I can do 10% more damage than you!

But I don't think that will happen. Because "Doing anything different than Blizzard is dumb." - Dev quote.

Dumb idea is still dumb.

Someone earlier in the thread said that people are leaving Rift PvP faster than they can be replaced. That will be exactly true of this game as well. There are already level 50s with their max level full PvP sets with 10% Expertise.

What do you think will happen when they meet the new 50s just starting? /faceroll.