The Expertise stat has to go...

The reason for it isn't to help or hinder pvp'ers, it's to prevent raiders from being forced to pvp to remain competitive

It's to prevent Raiders from being OP because they have access to BiS gear through the raids they complete

Um, that doesn't make sense at all. Why would Expertise (a PVP stat) reduce the need for PVE-ers to PVP to remain competitive in PVP.

What you should have said was:



The sole reason for any PVP stat is to make a distinction between PVE gear and PVP gear. WoW made the mistake of nothing having it in the beginning. So the BiS was to get top-end tear gear through the 40man raids.

Didn't have a guild, or a guild that could progress like that? Well, have fun being a free HK.

At least with PVP gear you can get it on your own, or with a few friends (Arena Gear).

But, seriously, how would all of you like to have to go Raid on ALL of your alts you want to pvp with? Hmm? ya, didn't think so.

The OP is right. PvP rewards should be vanity based such as titles or visually different gear that has the same stats as other PvP gear. PvP in game where PvP gear has a PvP stat is never based on skill but instead on what gear people have. This gear is earned by investing time and again not skill. Anyone can spend hours and hours in BG's and get the points they need to get gear. This doesn't have to involve skill all that is required is time.

PvPers sometime say if there is no reward what's the point in playing. The point of playing is to enjoy playing and enjoy bating other players. Any in game reward you get server no purpose outside the game and causes in game imbalance inside the game. PvP should be played for the enjoyment of playing not for rewards that make it easier for you to kill payers who have played the game less. If you want to get rewards and feel "Progression" play PvE. The whole mechanic of PvE is based on getting better gear to take on harder encounters. This is not needed in PvP as in PvP each encounter is different as it is played by a real person whose actions are to an extent unpredictable. True PvPers want to be better than their opponent. They want to overcome odds and to win when they are the underdog. There is no pride in being over geared and slaughtering people who don't stand a chance. True competitors should not want to to get gear that makes their victory hollow as they statistically were always going to win based on their gear. They should want to against al odds come out on top despite the gear they are wearing.

i've disproved this over and over and over. you're wrong.

What many PvP stat defenders fail to realize that a PvP stat causes a huge gap between PvP and PvE. !

The way around this is so simple and does not require a PvP stat in any way shape or form. PvP and PvE gear sets should have thee same stats on but have different titles. for example and using made up names PvP set 1 should have the same stats as PvE set 1. One would be attainable via PvE and the other Via PvP. If you play PvP or PvE you can see how a friendly player got his gear (PvP or PvE by the gear set name).

Now PvPers and PvErs all have a route to get gear. The gear however does not cause a massive imbalance issue as new PvPers and missing a stat that long time PvPers already have stacked.

An even more fair way is to give instanced PvP players a PvP set that is normalised. That way all PvPers are on the same playing field and skill comes through, not gear. GW2 has a really good system in line that will use this. They are planning completely balanced and normalised instanced PvP with world PvP using gear stats and not being intensively balance.

Seems like an amazing approach.

It's a stupid stat, and bad for the game.