Grouped with a power tech today...disheartening

This has to be the most ridiculous post I've yet read on this forum.

1) Can you dunk a basketball?
2) Can you throw a football 60 yards through the air?
3) Can you free climb a shear mountain side?

There are plenty of things that "Some" people can manage to do because they are exceptionally talented. The big gripes about jug's is the fact that it requires significantly more player skill to have equivalent results to other tanks.

Same goes for the DPS side of things. Other classes can use 2 to 4 button rotations and put out equal or higher amounts of dps while the Jug is utilizing 10+ keys every fight.

While "Some" people can make the best of a bad situation it does not make for a very fun or balanced environment.

And as the playerbase learns how "bad" Juggs are there will be fewer invites for Juggs, no matter how good you may be. And if you're a perfect little snowflake who always gets invites, no matter what, congratulations but that doesn't mean the class doesn't need help.

(And yes, I can tank as a Jugg, but I also have a Vanguard and know how much better the other side currently has it.)

i dont see it like you. My jugg is way more single target damage and better mitigation then a powertech so far, jugg will be perfect for tanking a raid boss.

I dont say jugg doesnt need perhaps a buff somewhere but so far im pleased with my class.

I heard a quote one time that seems to apply to this as well.

"It ain't the arrow, it's the Injun folks."

Cept that DPS don't really care and they go all out.
I usually let them die and don't taunt back if they go all out.

A few wipes later they'll learn pretty fast.

This. If I am tanking and another tank is in the team, I'd do it.

The point of a tank is a damage soaker. I you have 2 tanks., the healer has to heal 2x as many people.

If the PT was losing agro to the Jug, the PT would be all irate.

As far as the lowbie vs 50 thing goes, my guardian holds aggro fine at 18 against vanguards on ST. There is a problem with AOE. It is not impossible, but it is rough on my guardian.

Some people looks at PT and Immortal and go "gasp! The trees are different!" I looked at the trees as I play both and realized that yes, the PT does have some nice talents. Venting heat, shield chance, +16% armor, I mean really? What does immortal get?

Then I remembered, rage on hit,def on soresu, def on retaliate, probably the best defensive CDs in the game, a lightsaber.

A good part of PT tree is playing catch-up with the already good soresu form, and a good chunk of the immortal is playing catch-up with the PT aggro generation.

It is my feeling that they are close enough.

One tank needs to be the threat lead. This is what lets OTs OT. If there was not a tank to pull from another tank, there would be no OT. I think that over time, immortals will be the MT, Assassins will be the OT(tanks stance plus backstab will get some attention), and PT will likely be on add duty. The reasons for this:

Immortal- MT - defensive CD, good ST threat, good defenses.
Assassin- OT- high spike threat, limited CDs, mob positioning,(IMO best not tanking long)
PowerTech- adds- high AOE to pull adds, range to pull adds, grapple to pull adds, crap CD, but high sustained dmg redux(good for fighting waves of adds that don't have heavy boss hits).

I know all can and have tanked, but that is what I expect will be preferred in the coming months. I'm fine with it that way too.

stop there, juggs are the toughest to kill out of all of the tanks in game. yes aoe threat is not as good as the others but thats what makes the class unique and challenging. i love tanking with my jugg because every pull im always thinking of how to overcome my disadvantages; and constantly learning the capabilities of my class/role. if you think like that, you'll see how bad***** juggs are at tanking. Stay optimistic! Jugg for life

Actually it's hat very thing that proves how juggs are weaker than the other tanks. Juggs only are tougher when they get their 3rd cooldown and even then one of our cooldowns can actually kill us if it wears off at the wrong time.

Endure Pain leaves you at 1 hp when it wears off and you lost most health than you have actually (if that makes sense).

The mob you're fighting probably doesn't care so he'll easily kill you regardless. But technically EP doesn't kill you.

Here's feedback from a lvl 29 Juggernaut. Ran Cademimu just late last night with a merc, sorc and sniper, all in 31-33 range. It was the smoothest run i ever had, we finished it in some 15-20 mins, nobody died and no one dropped below 70% hp, even with those bugged evading mobs/turrets. No one was able to pull mobs off me, and we're talking sniper/merc dps here, which isn't bad at all and quite bursty. They weren't even guarded, i put my guard on the healer sorc.

Things I did right: kept my gear on par with level the best i could, buying guardian armorings for commendations and of course, the best guardian hilt i could find for my lightsaber. No threat issues, no squishiness issues.

Props to the tanks in this thread that actually know what they're doing and acknowledging it's not rocket science.