The Expertise stat has to go...

I am sorry but your logic is flawed. So you are saying new players wouldnt get destroyed by people in raid gear if there was no expertise stat? its not about that at all. It is about seperating pve from pvp so that PvPers arent forced to raid for pvp gear, and the other way around.

i can't get over what this guy just said about pve stats.

you literally blew my mind into making multiple posts.

if you REALLY wanna make some sense all you had to do is:

pvp chest:
100 str
80 end
xx blah
10% pvp expertise

pve chest:
100 str
80 end
xx blah
10% pve expertise.

.....HOW IS THIS NOT BALANCED?! honestly if stats are that big of an issue make them 'toys r us' the stats such as this statement, make it all the same, but put the damn pve and pvp stats in each set. although, again, im one about balance. a pvper should have higher survivability and lower dmg to make them use our cd's more clever, as opposed to a rotation. and let the pve'ers face roll their key boards into a 1234 rotation for butt loads of dmg.

Best idea i have seen in a long time, expertice for raids +50xp for you

Too many people more concerned about having better gear instead of better skill. Gear already gives too much of an advantage. Remove expertise!

okay i'm not trying to be a jerk foreal here but here it goes.

NO. dude, why in the world would you want to go kill awesome bosses and do sick quest lines that alot of us ( myself included ) pvp'ers miss out simply because we just dont give a ****. its fkn AWESOME seeing a high end raider with sick gear, but i want him to say the same when he sees me rockin' my pvp gear. pve'ers deserve all the gear they earn due to the way raiding works. DKP System or council system is a job, and they earned it. thats not even fair for players who put a weeks worth of work in hours and hours at a time and me pvping and grinding out on my own accord to earn MY gear. thats ridiculous. thats too much "have your cake and eat it too". just admit, please, for the sake of having separate communities such as the pvp and pve ( it exists, it always will ) that you guys, against the expertise system, are just wrong and mad because the current gear that bioware implemented isn't what it should be. with pvp gear being (apparently) much better than current raid gear.

tl;dr: its not the stats fault, its biowares.

The underlined part of this guys quote is one of my favorites. If all gear was equal, it would only be skill that allows them to be on par with you. Does that worry you? Expertise is a crutch.

I primarily pvp in every MMO I have played.

You people are forgetting one important thing. As I said before, having PvE gear and PvP gear be equal in every way sounds great. But what's wrong with it? It's simple. Getting that gear via raiding might take longer than it does via PvP, so raiders who want to PvP will have to grind longer for the gear the PvP'ers already have. And vice versa. Then that same PvP'er would be raid geared and could participate in the latest raids without ever even doing raids in the past.

It would also result in lots of raiders PvPing for the gear instead of raiding for it. Thus the WZ's would be full of people who don't care one bit about PvP. Or the opposite could be true too. You could have lots of PvP'ers wiping raids because they are just there to get the gear for PvP. See how that works?

It is simpler, and better, to have two separate gear sets.

expertise isn't a crutch when everyone has it, my friend. you are talking to an ex-glad top 25 in US on BG9. elitest jerk. if you're in pvp, you better be ready and geared. you dont run into a war with a brick because you hit your neighbor in the head with one once and killed him.


edit: expertise will also allow further customization in your pvp set. take some exp away, throw some high dmg low survive gear in ur set, all the sudden you hit 1k ( random # ) harder BUT get hit 1k harder. different people have different play styles. for ex: my pally partner in 2's wore 6/8 t8 because i played more defensively and focused on peeling and out lasting. its w/e

So many people coming with this response. He said get rid of the STAT. He did not say you need to raid to acquire the gear. They could award the same gear for pvp as they do for raiding.

Tho this game has launched and wont likely get rid of expertise.

Whats wrong with being able to get the same gear through different avenues of play?

People keep saying "I like to pvp" "I like to raid" do whatever you want and end up in the same place. Then when we meet, assuming we are both geared, skill will decide who is better.

Its a different aspect of the game. raiders raid.. pvper's pvp. If they want equality they can work for a set of pvp gear of their own. Sure maybe the damage increase about expertise is wrong but the damage reduction isn't as its been said we need to have more survivability.