The Expertise stat has to go...

you can't compare expertise to resilience or valor as its capped at 15%... if I remember correctly top valor gear in rift gave about a 46% and resilince back in season 2 if super stacked was somthing like reduce crit chance my 26% and damg form crits by 52% making all crit based specs useless.

expertise give the following you you have titcapped...(which is not hard to cap do dailies and weeklies and you get gear fast help im not even 50 yet and i am maxed on merc marks and war zone marks with 87ish pvp stims and 1 champ bag already banked banked.

The minute I hit 50 ill trade my marks in for 5 more bags add in my weekly/dailys end first week thats something like 16 bags with only doing 1 winning WZ a day.

Walk around tat open pvp area for an hour you get lie k400 merc marks then do 3-4 WZ and get the 400 war zone coms you need for 2 more bags

My play time is super limited as I have classes and 3 kids yet in the 3-4 hours I can play from 730 at night till about 11 at night I plan to farm 2-3 bags a day.

If you think 2-4 hours is allot of time to play then I am sorry its going to be very hard to keep any kinda of pve or pvp pace in an MMO

I am level 45 now my friends been 50 for 3 days doing basically what I said and hes already got like 380 expertise

Reading comprehension people. Cmon, read slowly and understand what someone is saying.

He said to get rid of the PvP stat. Not the gear reward for participating in warzones. You could be awarded the exact same gear in warzones as you would receive in a raid.

I'm not here to discuss how to make this work, or to agree or disagree with the OP but it seemed several people thought he was suggesting that we all be forced to raid to stay competitive.

I'm actually ok with it either way.

Well, I agree to a point. It sounds good on paper, but the problem is that the grind for that raid gear vs. the grind for equal PvP gear will not be equal. It might be easier to gear up faster raiding or it might be faster to do it PvPing. If its faster to gear up raiding, then it puts pvp'ers at a disadvantage since they will have to grind longer to be equal. If it is faster to gear up PvPing, then the raiders will have a disadvantage when they enter WZ's. It just screws everything up.

Someone mentioned Rift. I have PvP'ed in that game basically since it came out. They have separate PvP gear too. However, they made some vital mistakes. For instance, the top tier PvP armor (rank 8) is better than all raiding gear except hammerknell. Well, since R8 and Hammerknell came out at the same time, guess what happened? All the raiders went to warfronts and AFK'ed in order to get geared up for hammerknell since the R8 gear was better than their current raiding gear AND faster to get. It was a major PITA for those of us who actually PvP'ed for fun and not for raid gear since we had to put up with tons of AFK'ers. And the raiders who didn't AFK but actually tried sucked because they had no PvP gear on.

But that isn't the only problem. Rift has a PvE only stat called "hit" which is vital if you want to be able to actually land your attacks on raid bosses. You would think this vital stat, which is missing from PvP gear, would keep PvP gear from being BIS in raids. But it didn't. Why? Because only SOME of the raid armor has hit on it. Thus, PvP gear without hit was still better than PvE gear without hit. So this gave raiders even more incentive to AFK in warfronts. They would just get their 2 or 3 pieces of PvP armor which doesn't have hit and replace their weaker PvE gear which also doesn't have hit on it anyway. Trion should have simply put hit on EVERY piece of raid gear (and not only on some of i)t which would have stopped certain pieces of PvP gear from being BIS for raiding.

But it worked the other way too. Oddly enough, Trion made it so that hit worked in PvP combat too. So a guy with more hit has more of a chance of circumventing your dodge/parries. This obviously isn't fair to those of us who used PvP gear only as we have absolutely zero hit on our gear. So what some people would do is use their raid weapons (with lots of hit on them) and then just use PvP armor so they still get all the benefits of damage reduction. So they hit you more often, you dodge them less, but they still have just as much damage mitigation as you. PvP weapons do not have valor on them (the PvP stat), so there is absolutely NO reason to use them for PvP. Raid weapons are superior in every way in both PvP and PvE.

So, as you can see, gear separation is best if it is DONE RIGHT. I hope BW doesn't make the same mistakes Trion did by allowing certain pieces of gear to be BIS for everything.

I can't even conceive how people find the time to complain about THIS.

Wake up to five years ago. Realize that if something has been going on so long, with so many different venues, its YOU that probably had your math/concepts wrong.

It good, needed, and I'm not going on the 5000 word rant to explain to every whiner why their complaints are stupid.

My suggestion is to stop complaining that you aren't as geared as people who played this game as much as they did. If I played 200 more hours than you, I !@#$ well better have better gear than you, or I'D be the one complaining.

As it stand, the PvP gear doesnt take a long time to grind, and is available to everyone solo. Do the dailies, to Ilum.. the battlemaster gear is marginally better than the ones you can get at any valor rank. There are 20 free bags available to you every week with what seems like a 10-20 % chance to drop rank 2 gear...

They are winning cause they > you.... not cause of the expertise.

1) use your brain. nearly HALF of an MMO community nowadays does either one or the other. pvp OR pve. how is this asinine? how is this the way it is lolol. if people want to gear up to pvp....then ima gear up to just pvp. no sir, THAT is just the way it is.

2) breaking news - pvp stat applies to pvp, more in at 11. wat? i dont fkn want mastery rating for my warrior i want crit. CRIT. CRIT AND ATK POWER. not mastery. mastery i DO WANT IN PVE however. next..

3) there is leveling gear. why shouldn't there be in the first place? oh hay i played the game for 5 years and i want to reroll a new char....but not do the same leveling process and speed ive done for 5 years. LEVELING GEAR YAAAAAAAY BONUS EXP. theres nothing interesting about GETTING your character to level cap over and over and over again. ( yes in swtor the story is amazing, and i'll always take my time to watch the new story lines but i'll be damned if you think for 2 seconds i want to grind my face off 50 levels at the initial speed.

If the biggest issue is that it raises the bar for new players, I'd call it a non issue.

well then i must be the only jerk around to not care about new players and how soft they are nowadays. you know what i said when i saw a full season 3 warrior steam roll my fresh 70 ***? that was gdlk, i wish i was him, im gonna be him. why in the world should i let a FRESH player steam roll me because his gear was on par with mine? im all about the skill > gear but everyone who really knows, SKILL + Gear > skill + no gear. thats how it is, thats how it should be, thats how it should stay.

i won't fight a samurai whos been trained in the ways of discipline and martial arts ( lets relate this to grinding in pvp... ) with a thousand folded blade. why? cuz my kmart *** sword won't cut it ( HAH GET IT? )


edit: btw youre just using the resilience thing but backwards to further your biased judgement on expertise. so what youre saying is, pvp gear should have the same stats as pve gear but be 10% less efficient in PVE? well ***.....thats literally the same thing as saying pvp gear should have the same stats as pve gear but pvp gear has 10% expertise .....lololol

Last time i checked no one plays rift cause its boing and 10 million people play wow. So a good game is doin fine a bad one is just bad. No one puts resilience or valor as the reason they quit. The problem is not expertise needs to go the problem is u dont have any. Stop trying to make both games the same. Pve and pvp are seperate and it needs to stay that way. People lose with or without it and its very easy to get. Your logic is flawed. How about you dont get better raid gear and use t1 for every raid and xpac released somehow i feel u wouldnt do that. So lets just raid to pvp cause that makes it fair for people who dont want to raid. Stop crying go pvp or pve or both thats what u have choices no one wants one gear set to be useful. No better yet lets just remove expertise and double endurance or other stats s raiding is trivialized. Oh never mind again addng those stats is exactly what expertise does without making raiding useless and able to be cheated thru with only pvping. Kinda funny how all these kill pvp gear threads disappear once everyone has it in 2 3 months except for the occasiona new player starting a thread every couple weeks/months. Pvpers deserve their gear and so do pvers its not ur call so ur feelings dont hurt. Anyway with it in place u can blame it for why u lose without it what ur excuse for losing?

Heres a riddle? What are u?



Answer:
A badiebadbadbadbadbaddie

So many core issues need fixed an threads like this ruin the real issues that a new game faces. I deserve to get beat by people who workd to 50 and geared faster then me its their right. Oh except ur the same people posting in a month saying pve weapons shouldnt b allowed in pvp right?

They could simply reward the same gear, whether you pvp or raid. Your WoW example doesn't really prove that expertise (or resilience) is not an unnecessary stat. WoW doing it doesn't make it the best option. You were right about the raiders dominating but it doesn't disprove the OPs point.

If you could achieve the same gear in warzones / world pvp and raids then its a completely even playing field. Is that not what you want as a PvPer? A challenge, and a chance to prove your better? The PvP stat is a bit of a crutch and that's coming from someone who has focused on PvP in every MMO I have played.

Same gear means its a battle of skill. Why require 2 sets of gear for those that do both PvP and PvE (other than the time sink)? You should not feel proud of a kill if you happened upon someone in the open world who currently has his raid gear on.

Now with all that said... the game is in motion, it launched this way, and likely wont be changed. Very likely.

I agree with this 100%. Raiders spend countless hours raiding for their gear, and so do pvper's just we get a benefit in pvp because thats how we like to enjoy the game. So why should raiders who casually pvp come in to warzones at par with those of us who strictly pvp.

Competition is about bettering yourself, you do that by working for the pvp gear and learning how to pvp and beating other players. Its not meant to be easy, but challenging.