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Please support Linux/WINE again.


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TomWhiting
01.05.2012 , 05:00 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by renegadeimp View Post
There are hundreds of distributions for linux. Thats why almost no company will create a client for that platform.
Not quite.
At the core , Linux is just the kernel. It doesn't get that much different from flavor to flavor to flavor. Even the core utilities are pretty much the same from flavor to flavor. Libraries, etc, etc... That's why vendors like php/apache/ncftp/etc can get away with just giving out a single 32/64 bit binary and have it work from distribution to distribution. That's why the few companies that do manufacture drivers for Linux (there are a few of them out there ) do the same thing.

The problem? If you want something that works in Windows to work in Linux, you've got basically two options:

#1: emulate it (Wine, etc)
This is the fastest way to get it working, but that's not really an effective way to do it.

#2: rewrite it from the ground up.
Since Linux != windows, it requires a ton of different interaction, and it's going to be different all around. This is why the few companies that have decided to take on Linux versions (VanDyke, Ultraedit, Nero, even bioware with NWN) had to write at the very minimum application specific clients, and most just chose to rewrite the whole program.

The reality is that while Linux may be (to some) a desktop OS, it will never be profitable enough to warrant this kind of support.

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Ghostyuk
01.06.2012 , 02:04 PM | #32
But if this is true why did it run so well in Beta? it was the final release that broke it for us Linux users thats all. and i get what people are saying i understand the tech behind it all. But in the end its down to choice what OS poeple run and wanting a game to run on there platform is all part of it.

Its just a shame that some companies are not willing to take a chance when it comes to Linux it wouldn't be to hard to run it in wine while developing the game just to see how it goes or just keep wine in mind while developing it at the end of the day its extra cash in Biowares skyrocket if it works. but all this chat will not get us anywhere anyway, its a new game and it just about runs on windows guess the Linux and mac guys will have to see what the wine community come up with.

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Millkymeal
01.09.2012 , 04:38 PM | #33
Dang I just ordered new parts to build a computer and was thinkin of installin linux on it instead of windows but if it wouldnt be able to play this game I guess I'll go the windows rout. For now anyways

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metacell
01.09.2012 , 04:49 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by TomWhiting View Post
If you want something that works in Windows to work in Linux, you've got basically two options:

#1: emulate it (Wine, etc)
This is the fastest way to get it working, but that's not really an effective way to do it.
There are lots of games that run well under Wine. You don't know if your favourite game will run until you check the app database, but there are thousands of games that do.

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Toxen
01.09.2012 , 05:01 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by metacell View Post
There are lots of games that run well under Wine. You don't know if your favourite game will run until you check the app database, but there are thousands of games that do.
yeah, lots of games...until it doesn't play the one that you want to play
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metacell
01.09.2012 , 05:18 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by TomWhiting View Post
Name one MAJOR vendor that provides support for Linux on an application basis.
Google (Chrome, Picasa)
Oracle (VirtualBox)
IBM

Quote: Originally Posted by Toxen View Post
yeah, lots of games...until it doesn't play the one that you want to play
*shrug* If you tend to play new games all the time, and don't want the hassle of rebooting to Windows for some games, then Linux is probably not for you.

But if you tend to play the same games over long periods of time, and they're listed in the app database, Linux can work very well for you. I played Everquest 2 on Linux for two years, and also played LoTRO from time to time, and both games worked very well.

Many older gamers tend to focus on one or two games for years at a time.

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dokhidamo
01.18.2012 , 10:11 PM | #37
This has my full support.

Windows is quickly falling out of favor with me. And if Windows 8 is out 2 years from now, I'll be moving either to Mac or Ubuntu full time for my computing. It would sadden me to have to drop ToR because Linux support was dropped during beta.
I'm one of those people who play WoW and ToR.
Draenei Shaman, Miraluka Sage.
Can you tell I like healing?

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earthmeLon
01.19.2012 , 12:20 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by TomWhiting View Post
no, actually, it's not
Name one MAJOR vendor that provides support for Linux on an application basis.
Go on, name one.
manufacturers that DO provide support for Linux have to rewrite their entire product just to do so.

Again, don't get me wrong, I love me some Linux, but on a desktop level, it is nowhere near ready, and never will be, because it's not profitable enough to do so. A minority of users take on Linux as a desktop OS. It is nowhere near ready for primetime, nor will it be until it receives major support, not only from hardware vendors, but from software vendors as well, and that aint gonna happen.
DELL http://linux.dell.com/
HP http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise...umpid=go/linux

So, yeah, that's TWO major manufacturers.. didn't even look for more...

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Patmage
01.19.2012 , 12:47 PM | #39
Linux gaming isn't dead. Sadly it is just going towards phones and tablets. Go look up the stats on how many people bought games for Android/WebOS devices in the last year. Still though there is hope as tablet graphics start to catch up to a "good enough" point that the companies might start offering Linux desktop editions. Linux just needed someone like Google or Ubuntu to pick a "standard" when it came to things like audio drivers. In the past it would have been nearly impossible to support any Linux game as every distro was using different audio drivers. For better or worse, it looks like PulseAudio has won.

Back to the subject at hand, I do wish they would fixed this issue. It is hard enough to get WINE to work with documented win32 usage. Then companies do some crazy hacks and everything breaks. SWTOR and Dungeon Defenders are the only things that keep Win7 as my default desktop. KDE and XFCE are just so much more customizable. And not needing some "pro" version to do things like remote desktop and having to use putty to ssh into my server. And heaven forbid companies making Windows programs offer the x64 compiled version.

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Niricus
01.22.2012 , 03:21 AM | #40
I support this.

If it hadn't worked that well in beta, I would never have bought it.

Most other MMOs (Aion, WoW, EvE, WHO, TO, DDO, LotRO) work well with Wine, so I fail to see why SWTOR should be an exception.