Freaking Champion Bags...

You are forgetting that PvE has many cut-offs for throughput on boss mechanics, ie DPS needs to dp X dps per player and Y hps per healer to survive or succeed. It isn't the comparison from player to player (except for the peen strokers) as much as it is increasing throughput to down the boss. The more gear a PvE'er gets, the faster the boss dies, or the more mistakes they are afforded throughout the fight.

Just like PvP. You can competently PvP at level 50 (with other 50's) with the blue PvP "starter" set. You will be come more proficient with the Centurion gear and be afforded "more mistakes." Yet again things will become easier and go more smoothly with Champion's Gear and finally you will be at the pinnacle (Nightmare) level with Battlemasters.

Good players will succeed regardless of gear level. Yes, abilities, amount of gear, use of stims, relics, and other buffs improves throughput, and makes you survive longer and hit harder. However, at level 50, the playing field should be balanced enough that a 50 in blue Expertise gear can compete against a 50 in Battlemaster gear.

Hope that makes sense.

Valor rank 60 is when it's intended for you to start finishing your champion set as that is when you start getting champion commendations. You should not be full champion when you hit valor 60.

Let me explain how it works...


PvP Tier 1 - Centurion: This gear is obtained through commendations you get as rewards for PvP dailies & weeklies. Through gathering this Tier 1, you have a small chance at getting a few Tier 2 (Champion) pieces as well.

PvP Tier 2 - Champion: This gear is obtained through commendations you get as rewards for PvP dailies & weeklies @ level 60 valor. Through gathering this Tier 2, you have a small chance at getting a few Tier 3 (Battlemaster) pieces as well. Also, you can spend commendations to get Tier 3 ear pieces & implants.

PvP Tier 3 - Battlemaster: This gear is only going to be obtained by the most dedicated PvP'ers. It is the rarest set to obtain and will only be obtained through RNG and months of grinding. You may be valor rank 100 before you finish your Battlemaster tier.

^--- This system works, but it takes time just as most things should in an mmo-rpg. People just want instant gratification. MMORPG's & Instant gratification are almost polar opposites. The problem is, people will never buy into this system because they'll constantly whine & unsubscribe to the point where the game can no longer be developed further without catering to casuals and impatient people.

I know this will not quell anyone's rage over not being given everything in the few hours of play they can afford to spend due to them having such an important life where video games mean so little yet so much at the same time - but I think people who are complaining about the system need to see the bigger picture and realize that they are killing the game for the people who truly love the game. People who don't care about rewards and people who have put a lot of effort to get the rewards that they have - Those are the people these games are made for... Unfortunately, mmo-rpg's are morphed into something entirely different once all the selfish players start whining. And if they aren't morphed into something different, the people who truly love the game are left without a game to play - or at least left without future content for the game they love to play.

RNG or not, the system is just bad. Everything should be earned, with the RNG aspect giving you an extra token or something. The RNG aspect shouldn't grant you an item. You're just asking for unlucky people to never get gear, and for extremely lucky people to get completely geared out within a week.

The system is stupid and rewards luck. It is a bad system. GG.

So, this has happened to me 3 times ina row now. My first time pulling an item out of a champ bag was the main hand melee lightsaber, needless to say i was thrilled. After farming 3200 wz comms, and going through 3 bags with nothing, i finally get the crit on the fourth bag, and lo and behold, its another freaking main hand lightsaber that is pointless to me. After farming probably 4000+ wz comms and going through 5 or 6 champ bags, i finally get a crit on the last one, and of course its another mainhand lightsaber...

Come on BW... like *** is up with that ****. Is it that hard to implement something, where the game can figure out **** you've already unlocked so you dont waste your time like this. Ive chatted with numerous people that have had the same problem and are entirely frustrated by this bull ****. Huttball was fine and dandy the first few 100 times, but damn i cant even get a proper return for all the work ive put in playing that **** to death...

This seriously needs a fix and quick.

I gave up. 11 Bags = 2 trinket tokens and 1 master force champion head piece for me. Sure everyone will be like atleast you got 2 trinkets! ... the trinkets are worthless.