Hero Engine: why?

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Hero Engine: why?

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BluePlatypus

01.05.2012 , 11:18 AM \| #321
Quote: Originally Posted by wifeaggro Lol maybe they should lease trions new engine and remake tor. Trion is winning awards right and left for their two engines they made them selves. Bioware made some very serious fundemental mistakes. Its disturbing how good the game is whith a crappy engine. It is gonna kill their retention in the long term mmo players demand more these days not a instanced static world with good story and medicore gameplay Trion's MMO, Rift, uses the Gamebryo engine. They may have modified it, but it is not homegrown.

Perfik

01.05.2012 , 11:18 AM \| #322
alot of programmers here woa!! you guys MUST apply to work to a gaming company and do not "spend" your "madprogskillz" in forum crawling. You can make money you know with that madskillz if you guys are so pro why do not start your own gaming company and use your own in-house engine that you will make. as for the OP you do not know what are the variables that they choose to work with Heroe engine and making assumptions that they are lazy (lol) is .....you know. you can keep your opinion for yourself and do not try to turn it to facts. the only facts in this thread are a) BW uses Hero Engine b) ANY engine can be modified to "work" for your game (even people with no programming experience can tell that) it requires FUNDS and since SWTOR is the POWERHORSE for EA's MMO Genre they will give them The opinions are A) Hero Engine is crapp etc. Wooa have you seen the engine's control and you know that? i am sure before you came to this thread you didnt' even know what engine is. B) Hero engine used in XXXX game and is Crap. Flash news, it isnt' the ENGINE's fault that game SUX. The engine is the shell of a game, if a studio cant' work their a***s with the engine it isnt' the engines fault c) SWTOR is dieingggggggg!!!!!22343523 . Well this is troll comment d) SWTOR will Turn F2P. see c) e)Game Sux cause it runs crap in my computer. Have you ever consider that the problem is your 5 years old computer??? i have ZERO dces, ZERO lag, ZERO Crash to Desktop cause of Memory leaks with my computer, i have NORMAL loading screens people must learn to understand that opinion =/= fact

zerobounds

01.05.2012 , 11:18 AM \| #323
Creating an engine is a huge amount of work, Hero Engine already has a solid and reliable base for MMO games and that was likely a big driver in their choice. Most of the time when a big title is made on an existing engine base it will undergo massive changes to make the design priorities and engine capabilities work around each other to come to a good quality result under stress tests. They likely bypassed a huge amount of work by choosing Hero Engine package which then allowed them to focus on the game rather than the engine and networking mechanics - not that those two weren't overhauled too. There's so many factors involved and 95 out of 100 people here don't care or simply take reliable game-play for granted and will whine about anything. Budget is a completely different monster and plays a large role in choosing an engine.

youwillburn

01.05.2012 , 11:20 AM \| #324
Quote: Originally Posted by Perfik alot of programmers here woa!! you guys MUST apply to work to a gaming company and do not "spend" your "madprogskillz" in forum crawling. You can make money you know with that madskillz if you guys are so pro why do not start your own gaming company and use your own in-house engine that you will make. as for the OP you do not know what are the variables that they choose to work with Heroe engine and making assumptions that they are lazy (lol) is .....you know. you can keep your opinion for yourself and do not try to turn it to facts. the only facts in this thread are a) BW uses Hero Engine b) ANY engine can be modified to "work" for your game (even people with no programming experience can tell that) it requires FUNDS and since SWTOR is the POWERHORSE for EA's MMO Genre they will give them The opinions are A) Hero Engine is crapp etc. Wooa have you seen the engine's control and you know that? i am sure before you came to this thread you didnt' even know what engine is. B) Hero engine used in XXXX game and is Crap. Flash news, it isnt' the ENGINE's fault that game SUX. The engine is the shell of a game, if a studio cant' work their a***s with the engine it isnt' the engines fault c) SWTOR is dieingggggggg!!!!!22343523 . Well this is troll comment d) SWTOR will Turn F2P. see c) e)Game Sux cause it runs crap in my computer. Have you ever consider that the problem is your 5 years old computer??? i have ZERO dces, ZERO lag, ZERO Crash to Desktop cause of Memory leaks with my computer, i have NORMAL loading screens people must learn to understand that opinion =/= fact Actually the facts are a)BW uses hero engine b)Game has load of bugs and problems c)Blizzard uses their own engine and has non of these problems

PulseXXX

01.05.2012 , 11:21 AM \| #325
Quote: Originally Posted by Raice No... I think the general issue is people don't know what they are talking about. You get ONE guy that offers his highschool best guess concerning some hot topic current issue, and droves of people join the band-wagon. I swear, there have been 30 professional MMO Specific Programming and Game Design Gurus that have posted in this thread already. Here's the reality - no one on these forums (at least not in this thread), regardless of any of your past programming experience, has ANY experience working with this Engine in any capacity. The point I'm making here is that everyone needs to just shut up about things they don't know anything about and stop spreading their ignorant theories around as any sort of authority on the matter. This thread is how rumors get started, and is doing nothing but spreading disinformation that ANYONE who doesn't know any better, will listen to. My advice - stop worrying about it. Bioware's got this. Let them do their job. False. I have worked with this engine as a volunteer level designer for Simutronics. There are hundreds of others who were invited to �Design Hero�s Journey� which was really just code for, �Beta Test Hero Engine.� In fact, I�ll bet that on my old 20G Hard drive, I still have a copy of the Hero Engine GM client somewhere. Having worked on it, I can confirm that the engine is a resource hog that tends to slow down when your system doesn�t have the proper specs to run it. The engine is beautiful and the average polygon count is easily 3 times what you would find on WoW, far more when you take particle effects into account. This is the reason why so many people are having issues with their systems. Many PCs that run WoW flawlessly are ill prepared to run SWTOR.

Wyrmsfire

01.05.2012 , 11:21 AM \| #326
Quote: Originally Posted by Tokeee Why did you choose an Engine that wasn't developed to your exact specifications? I mean, EA and BW make enough, you could have outsourced your Engine development and made the engine fit your game. Instead, you chose the lazy way and are trying to make a game fit an engine. Not only that, you picked a terrible single-threaded engine that can't even process commands before animations finish, hence all of the ability delay rage you're seeing. Seriously. Blizzard built an engine to fit their game, they're billions (trillions yet?) richer. You didn't, and you're missing out on Billions in part due to this decision. Why? WHY do people continue to whine and complain about how bad this game is, yet still continue to play and post here?? Just leave. Go. Please.
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BluePlatypus

01.05.2012 , 11:22 AM \| #327
Quote: Originally Posted by Perfik alot of programmers here woa!! you guys MUST apply to work to a gaming company and do not "spend" your "madprogskillz" in forum crawling. You can make money you know with that madskillz This may come as a surprise to you, but many programmers are avid gamers and we also know to use the internet.

NegativeDown

01.05.2012 , 11:22 AM \| #328
Quote: Originally Posted by youwillburn Actually the facts are a)BW uses hero engine b)Game has load of bugs and problems c)Blizzard uses their own engine and has non of these problems Blizzard having 7 years to work on the bugs in their engine wouldn't have anything to do with that now would it? Sorry for being logical.

Tool_of_Society

01.05.2012 , 11:23 AM \| #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Thankyjack It's true. Why not use blizzard's engine to run your game? Sure, you help the rich get richer, but good grief at least you get rich too. Because the engine is incredibly behind the times from a technical view point. I wouldn't be surprised if TItan was actually just a new engine for WoW. Quote: Look, you may hate WoW for many, many reasons, but the game engine is what has allowed it to dominate this space. It is extremely difficult to go from something so responsive to something that feels clunky and unnatural. Rift, War, Aion, all had promise, but in the end, the lack of fluidity and control over your toon doomed those games. What doomed Aion was massive amounts of bots, a ridiculous grind for everything, RNG dominating the results of those grinds, the lack of anything resembling end game and the lack of any evidence that NCSoft cared outside of what seemed to be random bannings. The game play was really smooth sharp and I loved the combo system. It's too bad that NCsoft bungled the crap out of the game. I never really had complaints with the War combat system because not long after logging in I fell through the world and the game crashed.. Seriously the game had major flaws outside of any that might of existed in the combat system. Out of the three I wouldn't say Rift was a failure as the combat system is solid and there's a solid end game. There's also a crapton more people playing rift then aion or war combined. I played every class in Rift (all 50 all HK ready or HK geared for all roles) and the only major control issue I had was resolved early in the game (the problem with falling through the world after teleporting as a rogue). I play twitch shooters galore and I have a very long history going back to wolf3d. As a competitor I go back to the early days of quake and nuke 3d. I also played WoW off and on since beta.

Perfik

01.05.2012 , 11:23 AM \| #330
Quote: Originally Posted by youwillburn Actually the facts are a)BW uses hero engine b)Game has load of bugs and problems c)Blizzard uses their own engine and has non of these problems you failed MR Blizzard Fanboy the only fact is A) cause B) objective. I didnt' run in any of your "load" of "bugs" and "problems" C) Yeah they used their own engine and beta tested on you for what? 4 years? 3 years? 5 years? hell even now WoW has some horrible bugs (vanish bug,charge-Jump bug etc) you are clueless seriously

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