Really Bioware?

A class that can heal itself have less downtime?

You don't say. I'm stunned. I have to lie down.

Okay? No I don't see the issue here. We don't need clone classes. BH's can do all that stuff; that's good for BH. People need to stop worrying about other classes abilities and just worry about their own. Juggs do just fine tanking in end game and more then capable of tanking all that content that is out and holding aggro. Imo, people just want things to be easier. It's well known by now that our class is more challenging and takes a higher skill cap to play. There is much footage of juggs tanking end game content and having no issues; Hard modes in all. So if it can be done, why not just do? Because it's more difficult then another class? People need to stop complaining and asking for easy mode and just rise to the task. Seeing / knowing it can be done should be enough.

It's not dificult because of deep mechanics. it's difficult because of flaws. We lack tools of other classes. We lack AoE threat in exchange for a needlessly high single target threat. we have less survivability as a dps that classes without tanking skills. Typically classes with high skill cap have more tools. Instead the classes that need to spam only 1 or 2 buttons get all the tools. Juggs get more buttons to press and less tools.

Actually, classes with high skill cap have less tools to work with which requires more skill because of the lack of tools at their disposal.. But I understand what you guys are complaining about. The thing that bothers me is the fact people are crying like Jugg is just unusable and completely broken. It's just harder. I understand that juggs have less utiliity. But my entire point is that they are being used in hard modes having no problems holding single target / multiple mob aggro having no problems what so ever so they ARE viable. Just harder.

Canoftuna could not have said it any better:

"Tanking on a Juggernaut is like trying to dig a 3 foot hole in the mud with your hands. Sure you can do it, but it's messy, it'll take you longer and requires more effort. Or you can go get yourself a nice shovel (Bounty Hunter) and get it dug faster and more efficiently."

I should make that my sig.

Actually, classes with high skill cap have less tools to work with which requires more skill because of the lack of tools at their disposal.. But I understand what you guys are complaining about. The thing that bothers me is the fact people are crying like Jugg is just unusable and completely broken. It's just harder. I understand that juggs have less utiliity. But my entire point is that they are being used in hard modes having no problems holding single target / multiple mob aggro having no problems what so ever so they ARE viable. Just harder.

Canoftuna could not have said it any better:

"Tanking on a Juggernaut is like trying to dig a 3 foot hole in the mud with your hands. Sure you can do it, but it's messy, it'll take you longer and requires more effort. Or you can go get yourself a nice shovel (Bounty Hunter) and get it dug faster and more efficiently."

I should make that my sig.

You have a wierd definition of high skill cap. Perfect example of a high skill cap is Ezreal in League of legends. Has lots and lots of tools but is utterly useless in the hands of a poor player, but magnificent and nearly unstoppable in the hands of a skilled player. Every high skill cap class I have played has had more tools than a faceroll class.

Essentially a a class that is hard to play but lacks the tools of the easier to play class will be beaten by the easier to play class if both players skills are equal. That is imbalance. It's never been an issue of the jugg not being able to do content. It's about the fact that the jugg is worse (even by a small margin) that pretty much every class that does it's roles (I do think assassins need a boost as well). Hard to play with no payoff.

No one is saying we arent viable just that why should we be gimped, it makes no sense. Why would you make a class that the only encouragement to play is "Well it doesnt have all the benefits the other tank classes have so its harder".

Yes there are plenty of vids and people are doing it but "you can drive a car with your feet if u wanted to, that dont make it a good idea" -CR