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Vader pre-suit vs suit.


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Slipzman
01.04.2012 , 02:50 PM | #1
How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader?

If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII.

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Zekkau
01.04.2012 , 02:54 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Slipzman View Post
How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader?

If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII.
Not entirely, for example, Vader couldn't use force lightning because of his suit, and because he was mostly mechanical, it severely limited his movement. In addition, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility.

The books suggest that this is one of the reasons the Emperor was looking for Luke to replace Vader.

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Kanojo
01.04.2012 , 02:55 PM | #3
I personally think that had he not been thrown into lava, anakin would've been much more powerful than suit vader, but as far as comparing his abilities up to that point and after he became suit vader, obviously suit vader is more powerful as he is much more experienced.

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Zekkau
01.04.2012 , 02:57 PM | #4
Also remember, he was cut in half in addition to being severely burned.

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Slipzman
01.04.2012 , 03:04 PM | #5
Ofcource he would have become stronger without the suit.

The reason Palpy wanted to replace Vader was becaus due to his grief and wounds he could not surpass Palpatine.

But in turn he did become stronger than he was at Episode 3.

Force lightning is overrated, Powerful but when it seems every weak character in the star wars universe can use it it becomes clear that it was only Sidious extraordinary powerful lightning that was very harmful to DV.

Also it seems in rather late canon Vader is very resilient to force lightning, Much more so than many belived previously.

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Slaxon
01.04.2012 , 03:14 PM | #6
The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training.

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Slipzman
01.04.2012 , 03:44 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Slaxon View Post
The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training.
Exactly.

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Bantic
01.04.2012 , 03:45 PM | #8
In terms of war and physical conflict experience makes up for at least 50% of your probability to win. In most cases probably a lot higher than 50%.

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BrandonSM
01.04.2012 , 08:40 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Slaxon View Post
The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training.
This.


After suit, Vader became stronger and far more skilled with a saber and the force. He was still more powerful than most Sith, force wise. He was 80% OF Sidious
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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darth_freefall
01.04.2012 , 09:05 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Slipzman View Post
How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader?

If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII.
Everyone thinks anakin is stronger that vader because the OT was made in teh 70s. They didn't have the technology to show off awesome force powers and have them all over the place.

Vader is far stonger than anakin


Quote: Originally Posted by Zekkau View Post
Not entirely, for example, Vader couldn't use force lightning because of his suit, and because he was mostly mechanical, it severely limited his movement. In addition, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility.

The books suggest that this is one of the reasons the Emperor was looking for Luke to replace Vader.
Vader was more resistant to force lightning because of his suit.

Yes he lost speed and agility, however he adapted his fighting style and grew in his powers of the force.

He walked into an ambush set by 8 jedi (3-4 were masters if i remember correctly) and he killed 7 of them himself, and would've killed the 8th but the 501st showed up and did it for him.

Vader is far stonger than people believe.