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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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TheRealMesk
01.04.2012 , 01:18 PM | #431
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Ursus-SUON
01.04.2012 , 01:19 PM | #432
There has been a lot of good posts in this thread and the OP is indeed correct. Any one has ever played any kind of MMO, knows that these kind of things happen. The knockdown is untrinketable for most classes. I believe only the counselor and maybe the inquisitor can break the initial knockdown. I don't have any grand scheme to fix this, but if you don't believe the opening shots/slashes of a smuggler/agent are OP (or more than enough) then you haven't encountered it yet. Any top 50 smuggler will outplay any other top 50 in a 1v1. You people say 1v1's don't happen in warzones? are you fcking nuts? facepalm.
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Mursie
01.04.2012 , 01:22 PM | #433
For the unaware.

Here is a video of an operative at LEVEL 40. (NOT 50).

things to note: The opener of dmg at just level 40.

4 minutes 30 seconds into the clip: Notice the operative drop into cover and SNIPE at 30 METERS for over 4K in a single attack. let me say that again... THIRTY METERS AWAY... A MELEE OPERATIVE DOES 4K DAMAGE... AND HE IS LEVEL 40.

watch his attacks out of stealth...notice the 1,2,and 3K hits.

please... this is LEVEL 40 FOLKS. see this guy at level 50 in champ gear... rofl.. its laughable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2TlmALrHo

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Bekkal
01.04.2012 , 01:22 PM | #434
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari View Post
Usually in a group, and considering that the sap strategy WORKED and worked well as it kept my from interrupting his stealth, yeeeah, sorry, but I'm thinking that you're just not using it right. Plus even if I DoT them, the vanish usually lasts long enough for them to get their attack off. Also I really don't care if its on a 2 minute cooldown, no other 2 minute cooldown kills people quite like that. Not to mention 2 minutes can be pretty short at times.
He should be sapping your healer or your best stunner/dotter, then opening on the squishiest person.

For people who suggest that the "rogue" class is fundamentally broken, the "Open from stealth, you're <60% now" mechanic has been in MMOs for right around a decade now, and has been working fine the entire time. If you're squishy, and a stealther gets you alone, you're dead. That's it. That's how the game is played.

It's similar to how if you're on a bridge, and you're against a Sorc, you're dead. That's just the nature of the beast right there.

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Sevvy
01.04.2012 , 01:22 PM | #435
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While I have several tats none of them are butterflies...
Maybe it wasn't a butterfly. I just remember teasing you about a tattoo and you got pissed off. Maybe it was a mermaid...

Anyway, water under the bridge. I like to bust chops. Sup?
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Kuari
01.04.2012 , 01:24 PM | #436
Quote: Originally Posted by Ursus-SUON View Post
There has been a lot of good posts in this thread and the OP is indeed correct. Any one has ever played any kind of MMO, knows that these kind of things happen. The knockdown is untrinketable for most classes. I believe only the counselor and maybe the inquisitor can break the initial knockdown. I don't have any grand scheme to fix this, but if you don't believe the opening shots/slashes of a smuggler/agent are OP (or more than enough) then you haven't encountered it yet. Any top 50 smuggler will outplay any other top 50 in a 1v1. You people say 1v1's don't happen in warzones? are you fcking nuts? facepalm.
Even if it didn't happen in warzones, a good stealther can always make the situation 1 v 1 long enough to do their thing. It just become ridiculously easy when they can 2-3 shot. As for Huttball role... you wouldn't be any worse off than the other AC for your class.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bekkal View Post
He should be sapping your healer or your best stunner/dotter, then opening on the squishiest person.

For people who suggest that the "rogue" class is fundamentally broken, the "Open from stealth, you're <60% now" mechanic has been in MMOs for right around a decade now, and has been working fine the entire time. If you're squishy, and a stealther gets you alone, you're dead. That's it. That's how the game is played.

It's similar to how if you're on a bridge, and you're against a Sorc, you're dead. That's just the nature of the beast right there.
Why sap on those people when you can go for the people in the back without anyone noticing if you have any intelligence and guarantee their death? Especially when they are healer or the guy that can put out enough AoE damage to obliterate your allies if they clump up? And that's exactly what the scoundrel I'm referring to with this did. It worked, and it worked flawlessly. So don't tell me someone is an idiot for doing something that worked.

Also yeah, that mechanic has been around a long time, but its never been a good mechanic.
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Felene
01.04.2012 , 01:26 PM | #437
Have your back against a wall and see what happen to those OP crit.

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Lord_Karsk
01.04.2012 , 01:29 PM | #438
Quote: Originally Posted by Mursie View Post
For the unaware.

Here is a video of an operative at LEVEL 40. (NOT 50).

things to note: The opener of dmg at just level 40.

4 minutes 30 seconds into the clip: Notice the operative drop into cover and SNIPE at 30 METERS for over 4K in a single attack. let me say that again... THIRTY METERS AWAY... A MELEE OPERATIVE DOES 4K DAMAGE... AND HE IS LEVEL 40.

watch his attacks out of stealth...notice the 1,2,and 3K hits.

please... this is LEVEL 40 FOLKS. see this guy at level 50 in champ gear... rofl.. its laughable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2TlmALrHo

How does he knows hes OP ? he goes out of stealth with only 1/3 of life on purpose and kills the guy.Because he knows he will winn.

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routesman
01.04.2012 , 01:31 PM | #439
Quote: Originally Posted by Thelongroad View Post
The "rogue" archetype is usually the best PvP class in most MMOs.

Look at this current WoW season - the rogue is dominant again.

If you are a serious PvPer I suggest you suck up your fascination with lightsabers and roll a Operative/Scoundrel. They are truly a blast to play with in PvP.
You, sir... are full of fail. Rogues are not 'dominant' in this season of PvP. Rogues have 10 of the top 100 ranked arena players and 11 of the top 100 ranked RBG players. In arenas, 3 classes rule: warlocks and shamans have 23 of the top 100 and mages have 20. In RBGs, the top 3 are: 18 warriors, 17 mages (AGAIN), and 15 paladins.

Not only does WoW really have nothing to do with SW:TOR... but your information isn't even correct.

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ironhydra
01.04.2012 , 01:39 PM | #440
Quote: Originally Posted by Mursie View Post
For the unaware.

Here is a video of an operative at LEVEL 40. (NOT 50).

things to note: The opener of dmg at just level 40.

4 minutes 30 seconds into the clip: Notice the operative drop into cover and SNIPE at 30 METERS for over 4K in a single attack. let me say that again... THIRTY METERS AWAY... A MELEE OPERATIVE DOES 4K DAMAGE... AND HE IS LEVEL 40.

watch his attacks out of stealth...notice the 1,2,and 3K hits.

please... this is LEVEL 40 FOLKS. see this guy at level 50 in champ gear... rofl.. its laughable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2TlmALrHo
You failed to notice he has a pocket healer the whole time, which makes every encounter 2v1 not 1v1.