Expertise part 2!

This is a moot argument. Everyone who wants to be competitive in PVP will need to earn the gear and the level requirement that comes along with it. There are additional disadvantages to not being level 50 in a Warzone...such as lacking all of your skill points and not having all of your abilities. Perhaps that isn't as apparent because it is more difficult to quantify the disadvantage you have by not having your abilities/skill points. I can go ahead and tell you...it makes a huge difference.

I have no idea why the original poster decided to make a comparison between a PVE player and a PVP player @ level 50 to justify his argument. A more applicable comparison would be to compare a level 10 with no expertise to a level 50 with all of the PVP gear. Its easy to see that this is true without needing math by reasons stated above.

What you're actually saying is "I want to have an advantage over PvE scrubs simply because they don't PvP as often, as if their lower "skill" wasn't enough of a drawback"

You're saying expertise is there so I don't have an advantage. But because it is there it's you who has an advantage. The advantage should come from the knowledge you gather, not numbers.

if expertise were gone, the bracket wouldn't be needed at all.

working on that atm, leveling a second toon to 10 just to compare stats in warzone between that and my 50.

PVE gear is a joke in SWTOR, It's to easy to get. Next thread.

No....

How hard is it to understand? level 50 PVE gear will have higher stats then PVP gear. Why? Because PVE needs higher stats. PVP gear will have lower stats simply because it is made for PVP (which is not PVE).

The expertise separates the PVE FROM THE PVP. Making PVP wanted and used for only PVP
While PVE is made for and used for PVP.


THIS is because old games used to make a person grind all day in PVE just to get gear so they could PVP. It turned into 1 guild being the ruler of the server due to other guilds not being able to complete or get better drops. This system works better as you can see from games like WoW,Aion,Rift and no SWTOR.

This lets the player choose what he is more interested in. Its not about being a srcub, anyone can sit in a BG and do nothing and still gain comm. But you will still be useless in PVE and vice versa.

As I said before, some of us could give a damn if pve was a box you hit all day to level. We have no such intentions of participating after we hit 50. We leveld through PVP as it was much more fun from our perspective and were deemed spacebar kids and wear the title proudly.

Yes it is. If everyone isn't going to be wearing the same thing then the better stuff should go to people who play more of the game. Ideally the best PVP gear would be found in raids, the best PVE gear in WZs. Then the well-rounded player, larger portion of the player base, gets the advantage.

You're assuming a lot of things, all of it based on WoW. You're saying that this will not work because it didn't work in WoW, completely missing the fact that it was simply not done well in vanilla WoW - "PvP gear" (that still didn't have resilience) simply wasn't scaled correctly compared to PvE gear. PvE gear doesn't need higher stats, and PvP gear can be adjusted accordingly using methods that don't mean that you'll get straight up owned in PvP if you're not weaing PvP gear.

Stop thinking of what other games did and think of what can be done.

The current system doesn't work better at all. It creates a gap between old and new players, players that have their PvP gear and players that have yet to get their PvP gear.
It means that anyone "new" simply has to accept the fact that he will get owned by players decked in PvP gear until one finally get it as well, even if they're both on the same level when it comes to "skill".

You simply wish to have an advantage over the people new to PvP and cover it up with the need for a PvP gear that is superior to PvE gear vs. other players. You don't want skill to be the only thing that separates the "good" from the "bad".

I'm not a great PvPer, I spent way more time PvEing. Why should I be penalized when I want to try some PvP? Why is having equal gear that can come from 2 different sources such a big game breaker for you? I'm already easy enough to kill because I suck I PvP, you don't need the extra advantage.

It's funny, this game is so casual I don't see why anyone would complain about having to do anything. If gearing up was any easier then there wouldn't be any gear at all. I just really like the bolstering system, not having brackets, short queue times, and PvP'ing with friends regardless of level.

Just wanted to second that. Especially the friends part.