Best MMO PvP you ever played?

What a load of incoherent nonsense.

For starters:

DAoC is still alive but extremely dated.
EVE is still alive and kicking.
L2 lived it's cycle, still around.
SWG was sabotaged by patches.

All of these games existed before WoW, and survived.

Your logic is something to be expected of an infant, the reason companies don't try and think outside the box and develop a PvP centric mmo is because it won't make as much money. The bar has been set by WoW to pull in not gamers, but the lowest common denominator ie. clinical ******* and get them to be able to play and have fun. It's all about attracting the maximum number of subscriptions.

A PvP centric mmo with alot of backing could easily pull in the PvP crowd and be comfortably sustainable with patches, a crowd much of whom would remain very loyal to the game for many years, but it's all about wanting more and PvP usually becomes an afterthought even in such a well funded and massive game as this.

I always imagine an image of a drooling delinquent when someone says 'if you want PvP go play <insert fps game>'

1. DAoC - SWTOR could be like this if tweeked!
2. Planetside
3. UO

Problem with these kind of polls is that most players are new to the mmo market and have only played new games like World of Warcraft.
Its kinda obvious when people mention WoW, RF online and Tibia "What the ****?" like Joker would have said

1. DaoC
2. UO
3. Shadowbane

Theres my top 3

WoW, SWToR, Rift and AoC would probably end up somehwere at the bottom.
WoW brought in so many things that have watered down PvP and turnied into skirmished instanced boring PvP but for some reason, probably since they have the most players, every new developer copies that, even though noone really likes it.

What was it that killed DaoC PvP for most players? ToA. ToA brought in geargrinding and made the game Gear>Skill.

And what does all new mmos have in their PvP? Gear>Skill

Warhammer, although beeing made by the same company as DaoC completly forgot and abandoned everything that made DaoC so great.
They scrapped the 3-way Realm system, you cant make pvp nearly as great with only 2 sides, it will only lead to one side camping the other. With 3 sides you eliminate that factor.
There were also no realmpride in Warhammer, you could just "go there later" for some PvP, you never felt like you needed to defend your realm.
Also Warhammer PvP was and is not about fighting your enemy, its about avoiding them.
Or it ends up like many 2 side mmos, with both sides standing across some bridge, looking at eachother, with ranged classes shooting at eachother while as a melee you cant do ****, and as soon as you take one step forward you get focused and killed, another thing that didnt happen in DaoC.

well said, but i didnt want to reply to nonse posted by him

games get old and outdated.

I also think that since many players havent experianced a mmo with a good pvp system, people keep trashing on it and only think of the "griefing" kind of open world pvp aka constantly flagged, which is not the system DaoC utalized.
There were alot of really good PvErs in DaoC that also were really good in PvP, and its not that strange that players that have played DaoC, after that game, calls themselves PvPers rather then PvErs

Best PvP MMO in terms of...

smoothness of controls: World of Warcraft
player-skill demand: Guild Wars
overall experience: DAoC

I just keep waiting for the announcement of DAoC 2. The game that never will be, but if it did. I would be gone from here and every other MMO in a heartbeat. As long as they kept the same RvR system. IE: Meaningful RvR, keep/tower/relic captures, etc...

Sorry dude, Mythic is dead. DAoC 2 was Warhammer Online and that game failed pretty miserably in every category. I'm sure it had nothing to do with being bought by EA, of course.

lol.. i havnt played daoc bu thats how i feel with every game.. would u say daoc is still viable? or its long too dead

Ultima Online - easily #1

DaoC - solid #2

Guild Wars was neat.

I herd Acherons Call was good.

WAR was decent.
Wow was crap.
SWtoR seems moderately good.

To top it off most of the games people like have no real ranking system. No way to measure your worth with hard data or a real ladder. I really wonder what kind of "pvp'rs" this game has attracted...

I know. I really do, thus why I said it'll never happen.

*Sad Face*