Grouped with a power tech today...disheartening

LOL 1-50? You clearly have not been following the thread. It is not incompetence on the players part for their threat to be diminished during a fight. There is lack of passive ability, learned skill to improve threat or take damage without having a companion healer at all time.

The Chii-Form should at least have increase Threat stats. If you are increasing dps, and mitigating damage, should threat be increased as well?

Well, I'm a juggernaut and I'm tanking fine and have been tanking fine since I started.

I generally live by the rule that if one person can do it, and one person can't, the fault lies in the person not the class.

As long as one human being can tank effectively with a Juggernaut, then the class can tank.

Whether people have the skill level to use it may be another thing all together.

As I said, this is literally idenitcal to arguments about prot warriors in WoW in TBC and beyond.

Some warriors would scream about how we could not AoE tank as well as Pallys and Druids.

Guess what. I AoE tanked just fine then too.

I've played tanks exclusively in my MMO career. The Juggernaut is nothing new, it's the same tank style I've been playing for a decade. It's not UP, it's not OP, it's just a tank and a relatively easy one to use.

"Probably" does not sink well with me. That's what everyone have been saying, wait till 50. We see the Jugg need adjustment at 1-10, 11-20, etc... I'm not going to keep my hopes up that they will fix this class. If they do then, fine. But, regardless what happens in the future, I will surely not waste my time. I will level a different class to 50 before I do a Jugg.

Sorry to say but your principle of tanking is somewhat discredited in this game.

Correction, YOU SEE the class needing adjustments at 1-20, 11-20.

I see no problems. Been leveling as Immortal spec as well.

I Level tank, group tank and PvP tank and I'm almost 50 (45).

I grouped with a 47 sniper last night and could hold threat even when she got the first volley of shots.

You show me a video of a full-key-binder having threat issues at 50 and we'll have a discussion.

It is impossible to balance all the classes so that they remain balanced at all levels of play.

50 vs 50 balance is all that matters, as that is what the majority of the game will become.

He may have better threat at 33, but you may have had better at 22, he may do better DPS at 40, but you might overtake at 44.

Classes are NEVER balanced at lower levels.

Discredited how?

An Immortal Juggernaut plays so similar to a Prot Warrior it's almost like riding a bike for me.

Most of the game's classes can be directly compared to a WoW class.

Ever look at a Merc's healing tree? They're resto shaman, right down to having Earth Shield and Ancestral Fortitude.

A tanking PT is a Prot pally.

I love this game, I think it's a thousand times better than WoW, but the classes are nearly direct rip offs. But I'm okay with this as it allows me to put 5 years of Prot warrior tanking experience into my new class.

I used to tank 40 mans in blues, tanking in this game is like a walk in the park compared to holding threat of crit-happy warlocks.

If this assumption is true, then their whole bolster system for PvP makes no sense. Why open up PvP at level 10 if balance isn't important until level 50?

Just because it is hard to balance classes during leveling doesn't mean that it never needs adjusting. Right now, juggs need some serious attention in terms of aggro management and ability bloat. (Savage kick and pommel strike? ***?)

I agree with the OP. I'm 36 now and tanking as juggernaut is borked, and you're useless if there's a powertech in the party. You do less DPS, have no heal ability, can't hold aggro if there's more than 1 target...

Why do you guys always seem to refer to WoW? Blizzard has a reputation of releasing MMO at a Polished state. This game is far from polished, and we are pointing out one that is in need of polishing. This is not a cap out of the class, heck we want to be better at playing this tank, but we see improvements that need addressing. That's all.