Grouped with a power tech today...disheartening

So I joined a group for a heroic quest and the group had a power tech. I was level 36, he was level 33.

We never clarified who would tank and it didn't seem important. So I stayed in my tank stance and the only time I ever had aggro was during the 6 seconds I used a forced taunt.

I've defended jugg tanking a lot here because I haven't had much trouble tanking flashpoints or soloing but this was disheartening.

I had 3 levels on the powertech. I had increased aggro from my tank stance. Even backhand wouldn't rip aggro.

He was tank spec'd as well.

Of course, my jugg looks a lot better...I think tanking with a pistol looks lame.

ironicly a pistol is probably better for tanking due to the buttload of mobs that KB you. Do melee tanks get a KB resist talent? Of course not.

He most likely out damaged you by a significant amount too, being a logical explanation for having all the threat.

With all due respect, you're 36. You don't have Crushing Blow (the top Immortal talent) and you don't have the entire toolkit of Juggernaut abilities, nor the gear to support the playstyle.

I've done hard mode flashpoints (not just regular heroic quests) with Jugs and Powertechs tanking, and both have managed to do so successfully. The only thing the Powertech has on the Jug is the ability to corral mobs better due to Grapple, but a Jug can single target tank something like no one's business. Multiple mobs are a bit of an issue, but not much as long as you use proper CC (something you should be doing in a hard mode FP regardless of tank) and you understand that not every mob needs to be tanked by the MT all the time. Silver's can be off-tanked by a DPS Jug or Marauder easily, and you would want to burn the silver down first anyway since they will die faster and thus you'll remove a lot of incoming damage from the enemy group.

So, in short, things get much better as you level up, especially post-40 when you can have a full Immortal spec.

You kinda missed the point of my post. The powertech didnt have his top tree abilities either.

Have you looked at the top tier ability for a Powertech tank? It's ****! It vents heat and deals like 800 elemental damage. It only has a 10m range. It's basically filler to vent heat so they can do something else that actually matters.

Now for us, our top tier tank tree talent is a massive *********** swing that *will* ruin the **** of anything it happens to hit. On top of that, the two talents immediately preceding it improve both threat generation (via more rage from Soresu) and survivability. What does PT get? 10% more shield chance (which is nice, but not nearly as key as doubling the rage gen on damage in Soresu, or increasing the duration of Endure Pain by 50%).

Hence, the point of *my* post is that Immortal end-tree talents provide a MUCH bigger gain for Jugs than Shield Tech end-tree talents provide for Powertechs. Which is another way of saying hit 50 before you make a final judgement.

Your still in your 30's, you have plenty of new abilities to look forward to. Balancing is hard enough at max level when everyone has all their skills, trying to keep the classes balanced throughout the entire leveling process is just not reasonable (all the leveling content can be beaten with any combination of tank, healer, and 2 dps so it's kind of a mute point).

Not saying Jugg tanks do or don't need tweaking at max level (I'm a dps, so I don't know), but you should really only worry about balance at max level, use your time leveling to learn your class as best you can (enjoy the story!). Then, after you hit 50, you will be in a good position to make valuable contributions about what tweaks warriors need.

I can relate to how it feels to have someone of a lower level then you be able to out perferm you in the role you've chosen.

It is impossible to balance all the classes so that they remain balanced at all levels of play.

50 vs 50 balance is all that matters, as that is what the majority of the game will become.

He may have better threat at 33, but you may have had better at 22, he may do better DPS at 40, but you might overtake at 44.

Classes are NEVER balanced at lower levels.

So what your saying is that one class due to reputation should be shunned by groups and other players because all that matters is when everyone is level 50 it all balances out?

You are correct that it is nearly impossible to balance all classes through out leveling, however there are ways to make it so that each class has something the other doesnt to make them able to compete while leveling.

Currently, the Juggernaut does not have anything to make it stand out that a Powertech or Assassin does not have or can not do.