Ever asked why so many complaints?

$400.000.000 budget to create the game

1.000.000 initial buyers at $59 each. Thats $59.000.000.

Lose half subs after the free 1 month. Thats 500.000 subs.

So far they're $341.000.000 in debt. At $15 a month, with 500.000 subs. Thats $7.500.000 a month, which is $87.500.000 a year. Meaning this has to run for 4 years succesfully whilst keeping those subs, assuming they've lost their half a million subscriptions.

Subtract the cost of paying employees working on the project and the cost of server uptake. That's a fair few million. Put it at almost 4.5-5 years just to get back what they put in. That's NOT a very succesful game.


As to the poster right after, no, I am not trolling.

@ OP pretty sad you have to reposts the same trash over and over again. Don't know why you complain so much about originality when you use the same post over and over and ripped it off someone else to begin with.

Wish BW would make it so only people who OWN the game can post in here. So the real people playing it can share how they feel and know what they are talking about. That way the Devs can improve on things.

Not just let people from other places that dislike change or new things whatever state they are in and are sad their MMO closed or went full retard by putting in Kung Fu Panda rip offs into their games.

Those are the two most vocal groups, I'll grant you. There is, however, a third group - those who say this is essentially a good game, but has problems that need fixed. From what I've seen, this group includes Bioware themselves.

I'll grant you all this, but your next comment:

is simply not true for SWTOR, in my experience. In fact, I was actually very surprised that, even at release, which in every other MMO that I have played at launch, without exception, has been laggy as hell, I was getting a smooth, consistent ping of about 60ms, and zero noticeable lag - even though I had to queue for 30 minutes+ before I could actually log in to the server.

Well, frankly, your definition of a 'non-innovative MMO' is so broad that, by this definition, Eve Online is not innovative because in that game, you can hit things with your weapons and get gear from the wrecks, so it's basically the same as WoW. If you've ever played Eve Online and WoW, you will know just how utterly absurd it is to say that. SWTOR is innovative, for example, in the way the quests, etc, are actually set up and played like the quests you would get in a proper single-player RPG, even though it is actually an MMO. Partly because of that, the game feels as if it starts at level 1, unlike WoW, as an example, where the game doesn't start, to a large degree, until you hit the level cap.

As you, yourself, point out below, resources are limited. Complete polish is very difficult, if not impossible without utterly unlimited resources.

Playing devil's advocate myself, I do have to point out that Bioware apparently missed that some fairly basic things are currently missing - for example, graphics options that actually work and proper in-game anti-aliasing. They really should have taken the time to at least get these right before releasing the game, instead of falling into the 'release now, patch later' mindset. You only get one chance to make a good first impression, and by rushing this game out, Bioware have at least mildly ****ed it up.

Didn't repost same trash, I did not rip this off of someone else, only people with an active subscription can post in here. Also, pandas might be interesting, give us all a childlike streak.

Let me know when you stop talking out of your rear end.

The game didn't have a 400 million dollar budget, it was closer to 138 million.

You may not be trolling, but you are making up some pretty ridiculous numbers. I mean, every one of them is obviously wrong.

oh ill give it time... till that 6 month subscription ends... but somehow.... knowing how long it takes bioware to fix real bugs... and fully aware that game is made on a last century engine. i don't think this game will ever become some sort of wow replacement. i hate wow but support that blizzard gave and what bioware+ea offered so far is somewhere around comparing current generation high end computer and abacus(yes yes my dear fat little kids go google what that means).
sure story is great... and so far i haven't been told to collector boar heads from boars that don't always have heads... but the sheer amount of bugs that no semi competent test team should have ever missed is simply astounding. yeah wow was as buggy as they come so what? i started played first day wow went live.... i wasnt sitting in que... i wasn't baffled by amount of ways you and your companion can get stuck. every fp i did so far has proudly glitched in some way. my fonts reset at random... items dissapear from bars, god forbid you meditate on elevator.
you can't save a sinking ship with a good story. but time will tell. its just bitterness on my end because bioware is not the company i loved once(long time ago i would *********** worship those devs damnit) now its more of a meh factor.

Please do tell where the ridiculous numbers are? Bioware estimated a $300 million budget, which then turned out to be roughly correct. The monthly subs are $15, and it was said that initial buyers were slightly upwards of 1 million. Even at a $300 million instead of $400 million, thats still almost 4 years to get more than to break even.

This is however, completely offtopic.


The fact is, and the player a bit above me mentioned this, most of the points mentioned are valid. The laggy servers reference has in fact not bothered that many people, only those on specific ISPs.

$400m budget? LOL! If you did have any credibility you just killed it right there.

That was a rumor started a long time ago by a disgruntled EA employee. EA, about 5 months ago, confirmed that the cost was around 140 million.