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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Ranaro
01.02.2012 , 03:02 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by LogunOne View Post
I think this Blog post outlines the darkside of LFD systems

http://www.machiavelliscat.com/liore...st-against-lf/
This. So much.
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JeramieCrowe
01.02.2012 , 03:03 PM | #112
Some people just like to cover their ears, close their eyes, and go, "LALALALALA!!"

Doesn't change the truth, though.
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Zodnom
01.02.2012 , 03:10 PM | #113
I can't understand why people rally against a LFD tool, screaming that it will destroy the game, ruin the community, and spoil the essence of a multi-player MMO.

Today I logged in, flew a couple single-player space missions while sending my NPC teammates off on single-player crafting missions, then logged out. Never saw a single other player wandering around my single-player spaceship.

Somebody go call the MMO police. I just played a single player MMO.

If I had a LFD button, I'd use it to actually go do a couple dungeons and possibly interact with some people. I don't have time to use the game as a 3D platforming chatroom. I want a button to put me in some dungeons. I don't need a bunch of friends, I just want to see what a dungeon has to offer.
I did a couple while leveling, and I don't think anyone spoke to anyone else. Except when their characters spoke their dialog. We didn't make friends, swap emails, or sing Koom-by-ah around a campfire. If I could, I'd just run a dungeon so I could see the plot within the dungeon, and move on. But I don't know what level the dungeons are, I don't know where they are, I don't know when I am outleveling a dungeon, or if I'm too low for one.
And I certainly don't trust any answers I get from the General chat. You guys and your precious 'community' are a bunch of collective useless trolls in the general chat, and you know it too. Ask any question, and you'll get flames, wrong answers, and comments about your mother. Why I'd even want to group with those people is beyond me.

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Seidex
01.02.2012 , 03:16 PM | #114
I would rather press a button and go play the game until my group is ready, instead of spamming chat. Played WoW since release and LFD was the best thing to ever happen to it.

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Zodnom
01.02.2012 , 03:17 PM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by LogunOne View Post
I think this Blog post outlines the darkside of LFD systems

http://www.machiavelliscat.com/liore...st-against-lf/
This post talks about the bad things that can happen to the users of the LFD tool.
He says instead of using it, you should be grouping with your guild.

If a LFD tool was added to SWTOR, how would this stop people from running dungeons with their guilds?

Yeah, you can run into jerks in an LFD tool. Yeah, you can run into them in the general population.

You don't want to use the LFD tool? Don't use it. Keep doing dungeons with your guilds or people you meet in the fleet.
You do want to use a LFD tool? Go for it. Run the risk of encountering anonymous jerks.
I fail to see how either of these two scenarios are self-exclusionary.

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JSykes
01.02.2012 , 03:22 PM | #116
I think we can all agree here on this.

Either, it's a system that automatically matches players up for a run (everyone wants to do False Emperor ticks the box off) and then you run there on your own, but the group is made for you.

OR

The group is formed manually by the players, and then allows you to teleport to the instance location.

I absolutely despise the thought of World of Queuecraft and what happened there and it spilling over into other games. People say that it allows them to go out and do X, Y and Z while queued... when in reality Orgrimmar/Dalaran during Wrath had so many people running around bored waiting for a queue to pop. There has to be a compromise, and I think one of the 2 options would be best. And if it goes cross server... kiss this game good bye.
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Shortwave
01.02.2012 , 03:28 PM | #117
In WoW, the community was already pretty nasty prior to LFD, we know this. Anyone who tries to paint WoW's pre-LFD community as a utopia is, as we say in DC, lunchin'. What the tool did was to act as an accelerant that hastened the deterioration of that community.

I, like many others, am for a LFD-type tool so long as it is not x-server. Actually, in my humble opinion, an in server LFD tool would be really awesome, and I submit such a tool would draw the server closer together, whereas an x-server tool would tear it apart.

Cross server LFD tools breed a-holeism, or waters its seeds at best. The tool, if implemented in such a way, tends to remove virtually all player accountability, and foments griefing and dishonorable looting practices to name a few.

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Umbral
01.02.2012 , 09:00 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Shortwave View Post
In WoW, the community was already pretty nasty prior to LFD, we know this. Anyone who tries to paint WoW's pre-LFD community as a utopia is, as we say in DC, lunchin'. What the tool did was to act as an accelerant that hastened the deterioration of that community.

I, like many others, am for a LFD-type tool so long as it is not x-server. Actually, in my humble opinion, an in server LFD tool would be really awesome, and I submit such a tool would draw the server closer together, whereas an x-server tool would tear it apart.

Cross server LFD tools breed a-holeism, or waters its seeds at best. The tool, if implemented in such a way, tends to remove virtually all player accountability, and foments griefing and dishonorable looting practices to name a few.
I'd agree with most of what you said, but I'd put forth that the server communities in WoW are much much better than before the LFD tool. Far far fewer tools lording it over others on their servers by dictating how everyone should play and act etc etc etc.

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DieselCheezel
01.02.2012 , 09:25 PM | #119
If you were on a GOOD wow server then a group wasn't hard to get and you were all but guaranteed not to get any *******es until lfd arrived.

After lfd the situation changed and now you are all but guaranteed to get a ******* in any group that is made through it. Anonymity + vote to kick being incredibly restricted + blizzard never seeming to ban anyone for trolling leads to people being douchebags in cross server dungeons.

So in summary LFG, yes. Cross-server LFD, NO.

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ZeroGravTrooper
01.02.2012 , 09:30 PM | #120
I think the real problem people have with a LFG tool is that, whenever it's mentioned, people think of what it did in WoW.
In WoW, it:
1. Searched across multiple servers
2. Got a full group together
3. Teleported the group to inside the instance

I think people against having a LFG tool really have a problem with #'s 1 and 3. But, if a LFG tool in TOR just got a group together on a single server (keeping the server community together) and didn't teleport people to the instance (creating more PvP opportunities and more activity in the world with people running to instances) maybe everyone could be happy...? I mean, all it would be doing would be getting a group without people having to type "LFG". Literally, that's all it would be.

But hey, what do I know. :I
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