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It's unbelievable that anyone thinks this is okay.

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vsalcedo
01.02.2012 , 01:50 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Ixodor View Post
The only brackets i see coming would be a lvl 50 only one. I LOVE the bolster pvp, if you are good a lvl 10 CAN take down a 49. Granted its not likely but i have done it. This means that while lvling you dont have to really worry about gathering pvp gear either because there is no pvp gear below 50 hence why there NEEDS to be a lvl 50 bracket.

Only players i see complaining about this system are the bad kiddies.

Theres level 40 pvp gear. which works just as good as the 50 pvp stuff.

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Mozivicus
01.02.2012 , 01:52 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Merkmerk View Post
Are you really this stupid?

1-49 and a 50s bracket would be hugely different from the current situation. The scaling works well enough for pre 50s and 'premades' of 1-49s would not be a problem. (they will eventually hit 50, after all)



Wait until you start running into 50s with serious PVP gear. It's a whole different world from some fresh 50, trust me on this.
Ya, I've run into some geared out level 50s, and I get pasted fast, but that's the way it is. I got a pair, and I keep going out there and try to level up and learn. Is it the absolute best system that it can be? No, but it's pretty new and young. I would highly doubt that PvP will be the same in 2 months that it is now anyways, so why waste energy arguing how bad it is now? Maybe I'm too new to the MMO scene, who knows.

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Detcelfer
01.02.2012 , 01:55 PM | #73
I was breaking 300k at lvl 30. I've got pics to prove it.

That said, lvl 50s get a nice boost and they do probably need a seperate bracket, however I'd say give it a couple more weeks or so. That way the 50s wont be waiting forever to que up.
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nullifier
01.02.2012 , 01:59 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Mozivicus View Post
Ya, I've run into some geared out level 50s, and I get pasted fast, but that's the way it is. I got a pair, and I keep going out there and try to level up and learn. Is it the absolute best system that it can be? No, but it's pretty new and young. I would highly doubt that PvP will be the same in 2 months that it is now anyways, so why waste energy arguing how bad it is now? Maybe I'm too new to the MMO scene, who knows.
Its gunna be ok in 2 months time isn't gunna cut it.. I love the game however I think PVP is horribly broken, A simple system should have been in place.. hey even an opt in opt out of bracketing system would be ok. Not this horrible mess.

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Bakarn
01.02.2012 , 02:07 PM | #75
The problem's not the levels, it's expertise. If expertise just increased damage reduction then it'd be fine. It's the fact it increases damage, healing, AND reduces damage that is the problem.

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Theres level 40 pvp gear. which works just as good as the 50 pvp stuff.
Bolster boosts you relative to your average itemlevel with respect to your level. So if you're level 40 and have level 40 gear, you get more HP than say if you were level 48 and had level 40 gear.

The difference between an extremely well geared level 15 and an extremely well geared level 40 is not in terms of gear. It's in terms of talents and abilities.

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JBloom
01.02.2012 , 02:09 PM | #76
Yeah I think it's pretty dumb that there aren't brackets of some kind, but I just think of it as paying my dues. I'm level 49 now and I get to be the one owning lowbies.

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FrieAaron
01.02.2012 , 02:10 PM | #77
I've people assert a lot that having brackets would slow down queues a lot. Where is this coming from? This doesn't seem guaranteed to me.

Say you have 10,000 people online at a time with three brackets:
1-30 - 3,000
30-49 - 5,000
50 - 2,000

Why does this guarantee that queuing at level 32 will be any slower than with no brackets? Yes, there are more people pvping, but there are also more people in queue that you're waiting behind.

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Quiksillver
01.02.2012 , 02:14 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by twotimingpete View Post
The fact that there's a debate around the lack of bracketing is mind numbing. This is common sense. For as much expertise and time it takes to craft a massive game like this, lacking common sense to the extent that they'll allow new level 12s to make an attempt at a warzone and be instantly converged on by level 40s and 50s is astounding.

It reminds me of some of the things I saw in Star Wars Galaxy back when it first came out. I was a seasoned MMORPGer at the time, having spent a great deal of time pvping in Dark Age of Camelot.

People in Beta were training in creature handling and taming multiple rancors, which, individually, could kill any player. I thought this was some kind of beta oversight that would never make it live, and it did. The thought that a company was able to make a complex game but lack common sense to that level made my jaw drop. I just couldn't believe it. Everyone in port was running around with two mountainous beasts following them.

Brackets in WOW always seemed like common sense to me. It was just assumed. "Oh, level 15s can queue for battlegrounds too?" It was just assumed that they'd be against people in their own level range because that was common sense. You never even considered the possiblity that you'd be fighting level 50s.

It speaks to not just bad judgement by bioware that level 12s are queueing against level 50s, but it speaks to sort of a perversion of common sense, that's now pervading the playerbase. The fact that this is even a discussion is amazing to this old hound, but I suspect I'm not alone.

We all know that brackets will go in sooner or later. It's a fact. Why? Because, as a rational human being, I recognize it as common sense. Whether the developers and community see it now is irrelevant. Brackets will be coming and one day people will look back at this and facepalm.

So just do it sooner rather than later to keep the embarrassment (and damage to the culture of PVP in this game) to a minimum.
Trust me lots of people here think the PvP IS FINE! And they are severely mistaken, I already unsubbed because of the state of PvP here and won't justify spending 15 bucks a month on such a broken system. And for the people who say "leave noob we don't care" or "don't let the door hit you on the way out" I just rofl because they are kids that don't understand business, for every person that leaves this game gets worse because their funding is cut off, meaning the game YOU ARE STAYING for is LOSING FUNDS AND THEREFORE QUALITY.. When it first came out I laughed at people who said it would go F2P but now I see that might be the case afterall if they don't make some serious changes.

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Repefe
01.02.2012 , 02:16 PM | #79
It's hilariour OP uses WoW as an example ... lvl 10 player joins BG for the first time and see ppl who have 5x his hp and literaly one shot him. As seasoned MMO player you shouldn't care about fighting lvl 50 players, because your seasoned skill should compensate for it. I can kill players 20-30 lvls higher if they are not expertise decked with 5k consumables ready ... if you can't the problem is not in the game.
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AWDBAHL
01.02.2012 , 02:19 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by FrieAaron View Post
I've people assert a lot that having brackets would slow down queues a lot. Where is this coming from? This doesn't seem guaranteed to me.

Say you have 10,000 people online at a time with three brackets:
1-30 - 3,000
30-49 - 5,000
50 - 2,000

Why does this guarantee that queuing at level 32 will be any slower than with no brackets? Yes, there are more people pvping, but there are also more people in queue that you're waiting behind.
Your argument is garbage. Just because there are X people online doesnt mean they all want to PvP and it doesnt mean the ones that actually do will que up when you do. WoW servers had great numbers and they were bracketed, and yet they still had problems even after cross server BG's were implemented and you had a pool from literally 20 servers. The only active brackets were 10-19 and max level. You might get a queue to pop in between but dont hold your breath.

Its a proven reality that splitting up the playerbase leads to longer queues. WoW developers have struggled with that problem since they implemented battlegrounds in that game. One of the things i love about this game is that i can queue and get into a game always in under 5 minutes (on death wind corridor, relatively high pop).

Another thing to consider is that if you can hold your own, or even achieve some small measure of success as a level 19 among 50's in PvP you will be a wrecking ball once you eliminate the gear and class ability disparity. It trains people who can put up with the frustration of being underpowered.