Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Vetorept

01.02.2012 , 01:46 PM \| #91	Quote
1. A Valid Arguement Being able to queue for things like warzones and flashpoints and automatically get placed in a group brings out the aspergers syndrome in many people. Asperger's syndrome ( /ˈɑːspərɡərz/[1], /ˈ�spərɡərz/[2] or /ˈ�spərdʒərz/, also known as Asperger syndrome, Asperger disorder or simply AS, is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. Facilitating the birth of a Sperglord. sperglord- Internet caricature of typical self diagnosed aspergers suffering shutin that has to provide input on everything and anything in the most obnoxious, self unaware, or creepy manner possible. Source: Urban Dictionary It removes personal accountability for ones actions in an already anonymous setting- The Internet, bringing out the worst sociopathic and antisocial behaviors. So put that in your LFD and smoke it. MMO's have been getting along fine without it since 1998 and only one has implemented it, birthing thousands of threads and QQ about ninja looters, need vs. greed, vote-kicks, griefers, afk'ers and generally not so nice people.

Minifarfar

01.02.2012 , 01:46 PM \| #92	Quote
Every1 just gonna sit in a town and lvl by queueing? Sounds like an epic world to be in

alkanterah

01.02.2012 , 01:51 PM \| #93	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax I have seen people posting for and against the LFD but I have never really seen any rational argument against it. Argument: LFD killed the WoW community and before the LFD there was a great solid community. umm, what WoW did you play? The WoW community was full of ninja looters, cry babies, and general jerks long before the LFD was ever invented Argument: LFD killed guilds. Guild ranks is what hurt guilds, the LFD made people want to group with the guild first and use the LFD only if they had to. If anything it made guilds stronger. Argument: Looking for people in trade channels builds friendships and a better community umm, what? spamming a channel is spamming a channel and nothing more. Remember the LFD tries to group you with people on your own server first in WoW, giving you more chances to meet people then spamming a channel ever could. I have never seen a valid reason against the LFD, all I have seen are people remembering something that never actually excited, this super tight server community in WoW. My favorite is "It just makes people sit in town, vacant eyed while waiting for a queue to pop." My first reply is typically "vacant eyed?!", but for SWTOR I would probably just reply by saying that we already have sit in town just to do flashpoints. It's called the Imperial Fleet. Quote: Originally Posted by Minifarfar Every1 just gonna sit in a town and lvl by queueing? Sounds like an epic world to be in Like this.

Kaedian

01.02.2012 , 01:52 PM \| #94	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Hexlexia Those who are saying WoW never had a sense of community are only deluding themselves. I played on Alleria during Vanilla, and left the server just before BC when the offered free transfers off to Baelgun. Alleria was a HUGE server alliance side, after all, everyone wanted to be where <Risen> was. We had a great community Horde side. You knew who the ninjas/chinese gold farmers were, you knew who could tank and who could heal, and you knew who had the key to UBRS (and sometimes you had to pay that person to come open the door ><). You friended people who were good, and if you were good, you had no issues whatsoever in getting a group. Hell, the whole server even banded together during the opening of AQ so that Failure would not get the Scepter to open the gates. Everyone (both alliance and horde) helped Ts and <Blighted> get the job done. LFD was the final nail in the server community coffin. Cross realm BG's, paid name changes, and paid server transfers all had a hand in the destruction of what was a good server community. I have to agree with the above poster. Played from release on Elune both factions and both sides knew the bads from the rest.

Yfelsung

01.02.2012 , 01:54 PM \| #95	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Jimmc How? It's still the people from your server you just don't spend 40 minutes running to the dungeon. Because it allows people to become anonymous shadows. Just a name, a gear level, a class and a spec. I can't explain how an MMO community works to you. You've either experienced a really good MMO community, or you haven't. It's something you have to experience to understand. If you're the type of player who uses /general to find your groups, you've probably never experienced a good community.
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Moricthian

01.02.2012 , 01:58 PM \| #96	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vetorept 1. A Valid Arguement Being able to queue for things like warzones and flashpoints and automatically get placed in a group brings out the aspergers syndrome in many people. Asperger's syndrome ( /ˈɑːspərɡərz/[1], /ˈ�spərɡərz/[2] or /ˈ�spərdʒərz/, also known as Asperger syndrome, Asperger disorder or simply AS, is an autism spectrum disorder (ASD) that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. Facilitating the birth of a Sperglord. sperglord- Internet caricature of typical self diagnosed aspergers suffering shutin that has to provide input on everything and anything in the most obnoxious, self unaware, or creepy manner possible. Source: Urban Dictionary It removes personal accountability for ones actions in an already anonymous setting- The Internet, bringing out the worst sociopathic and antisocial behaviors. So put that in your LFD and smoke it. MMO's have been getting along fine without it since 1998 and only one has implemented it, birthing thousands of threads and QQ about ninja looters, need vs. greed, vote-kicks, griefers, afk'ers and generally not so nice people. This entire argument is predicated on a mass generalization. 1. LFG tool makes people lazy/stupid/mean 2. We don't want lazy/stupid/mean mean people 3. Therefore we don't want LFG tool. Obviously we can all agree on premise 2 but premise one is rediculous. How can you provide evidence that 1 is true? How many people does it turn from great community building players to lazy jerks? What percentage of the player base does it do this to? Is it everyone or just a small portion. The burden of evidence is on the you to support your first premise. I have seen tons of evidence stating the 1st premise but none actually showing why it is the case. Even if LFG did turn people into jerks, I would agrue that, considering the time and hasstle it saves, its worth. Even if it renders %10 of the community jerks, I would save so much time and hasstle I'd probably play 20% - 30% more flashpoints. So given the numbers, and the logic, these anti- LFG arguments are pretty weak.

moosedog

01.02.2012 , 01:59 PM \| #97	Quote
After all the server community building I've been doing by spamming /1 for groups in between arrow to the knee jokes, then going on mostly wordless boarding party/athiss/manda runs(Everyone said "thanks for group" at the end) I'd be angry if BW was to suddenly destroy that just so people could find a group more efficiently.

imtrick

01.02.2012 , 02:00 PM \| #98	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax I have seen people posting for and against the LFD but I have never really seen any rational argument against it. Then you're choosing to completely dismiss any argument you don't agree with as "invalid." That's doesn't mean no arguments have been presented, it just means you're incredibly dismissive of other people's opinions. Personally, I think LFG tools (at least as implemented in games like WoW and Rift) are the worst kind of catering to the lazy. The provide instant gratification at the cost of interaction and realism. Convenience for convenience's sake kills games. There is no reward without effort, and when you start removing the effort, the rewards mean less, and that just makes the game less fun. It really concerns me how many people cry out to make things simpler and more convenient, because nothing will send a game into the crapper faster than catering to people like that.

TitanJJ

01.02.2012 , 02:04 PM \| #99	Quote
I've honestly never seen a valid argument FOR LFD. not enough time? too bad, make time. not enough patience? too bad, grow up. always got everything else you wanted right away in life? too bad, that's not real life. don't want to socialize? go play console games or wow.
*THAT'S NO MOON*

Orisai

01.02.2012 , 02:04 PM \| #100	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Alcarinn BW stated LFD is bad for server community and if they said so i think this crying needs to stop and deal with it and learn to communicate and make friends lists. Once you hit 50 you will have tons on friends list to play anyway BioWare says whatever it will give them money.
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