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It's unbelievable that anyone thinks this is okay.

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It's unbelievable that anyone thinks this is okay.

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Kordoyn
01.02.2012 , 01:38 PM | #61
We have quite a few 50s on our server, some of them had 4 or 5 pieces of battle master gear and have maxed valor. Our problem is related to the one stated here, but kind of opposite. Most teams are entirely 50s, or at least 6/8 are 50s, and if one team gets stuck with a bunch of 10-30s and 1 or 2 50s it's basically a wasted 15 minutes, while the other team mops face.

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Merkmerk
01.02.2012 , 01:39 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Draemos View Post
It's unbelievable that people don't realize brackets result in the exact same scenario. Feel free to look at any other MMOs level bracketed PvP and you'll see the end result is no different.
Are you really this stupid?

1-49 and a 50s bracket would be hugely different from the current situation. The scaling works well enough for pre 50s and 'premades' of 1-49s would not be a problem. (they will eventually hit 50, after all)

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Didn't read through all 6 pages of responses, but to the OP.... I'm only level 25 and I've just now been PvPing for 2 levels. I've never finished with a negative K/D ratio, and I've never played a PC shooter/FPS game or MMO before. I arm and disarm objectives, and kill or DOT enemies when able.

While there are almost nothing but level 50 players in PvP, the bolster tries to even the field out. Is it even? No, hell no. The level50s have their entore skill tree spec'd, whereas I only have a few skills spec'd. That put them at a huge advantage, plus alot of them have their attributes spec'd by gear for PvP.

I don't complain about the disparity because it seems to be negligible at best....at least IMO anyways.
Wait until you start running into 50s with serious PVP gear. It's a whole different world from some fresh 50, trust me on this.

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Donger
01.02.2012 , 01:40 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by RJChief View Post
So the game is, what... officially 12 days past launch? Yes, those who preordered had a week advantage to grush through the leveling (in part to getting the story in beta, and spacebaring through the cut scenes). There still are simply not enough level 50's in the game! I laugh at those who cancelled their subscriptions because a handful - yes, only a relative handful - out leveled them.

Assuming a bracket system though, there WOULD NOT be any "twinks" like WoW. The XP bonus from completing WZ's would effectively push twinks into the next bracket.

Could the pvp system be tweaked a bit? of course, everything can... but give this game a fighting chance! (no pun intended)

swtor > any mmo currently out there.... I refuse to live in the past, in the good ol' days of only felucia ultima online
Twinks in WoW died off with heirloom gear and xp for BG's. A bracket system is needed. Yes, you would have twinks here,, if only cause you had a 50 with crafting maxed, outfitting an alt.

Average Joe, been raiding like wildfire and finally had enough of it. Sick to death of his current MMO. Hmm... SWTOR looks interesting. I'll give this 7 day free trial a go (yeah its not around yet, but it will be). Hits level 10, oh a PvP quest.. SWEET!

Gets ROFL-Stompped by 50's that are maxed out.

Game sucks /uninstall

One thing that could kill the influx of new players. Even people that buy this game a month from now will more than likely be seriously turned off by it. Bad enough now being level 30 facing a small group of decked out 50's. A new player won't have a chance and it will turn them off of the game before they even experience what it could and should be (like those of us that played pvp at launch when we were semi-equals).

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Juicenewtonz
01.02.2012 , 01:42 PM | #64
1 month from now, a 50 only bracket would make perfect since, a lot of people will be level 50 by that time so queues wouldnt suffer and 1-49s wouldnt get bumraped by levels 50s in full expertise gear

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Merkmerk
01.02.2012 , 01:43 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Donger View Post
Twinks in WoW died off with heirloom gear and xp for BG's. A bracket system is needed. Yes, you would have twinks here,, if only cause you had a 50 with crafting maxed, outfitting an alt.

Average Joe, been raiding like wildfire and finally had enough of it. Sick to death of his current MMO. Hmm... SWTOR looks interesting. I'll give this 7 day free trial a go (yeah its not around yet, but it will be). Hits level 10, oh a PvP quest.. SWEET!

Gets ROFL-Stompped by 50's that are maxed out.

Game sucks /uninstall

One thing that could kill the influx of new players. Even people that buy this game a month from now will more than likely be seriously turned off by it. Bad enough now being level 30 facing a small group of decked out 50's. A new player won't have a chance and it will turn them off of the game before they even experience what it could and should be (like those of us that played pvp at launch when we we semi-equals).
Actually they have a separate queue for people who want to turn BG experience off.

Of course, it died out because twinks just wanted to have an unfair advantage and destroy people who ventured into a BG while leveling up, and once the ability to do that was taken away they had no reason to twink.

edit: The rest of your post is dead on. You clearly understand the business considerations here (which most of the idiot naysayers do not). Anyone venturing into the PVP going up against the decked out 50s is likely to quit in disgust - and the problem is only getting worse every week.

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XenonParsec
01.02.2012 , 01:45 PM | #66
Are people still trying to convince others that the bolster system magically solves everything?

I dont get a talent point bolster. I know I know, in your crazy universe, toons fighting with 20+ point talent tree disparity is "balance." Yeah, my level 11 sorc without chain lighting, forked lighting, lightning effusion, shield buff and thundering blast is just as balanced as a 49, I just need to "get a team" or "learn how to pvp."

Sure thing Cletus.

OP is 100% correct, and the people arguing against brackets are scared of their ez mode being taken away. If you heroes want to bully nubs, at least have enough sack to ride out into the contested zones.

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nullifier
01.02.2012 , 01:45 PM | #67
9/10 games horribly one-sided with outcomes inevitable from the first 10 seconds of play.
Bolster System - Inadequate
''Level to 50 then noob'' response - Illegitimate
PVP Warzones - Broken


The only reason people are putting up with this is that they still get the rewards either way.

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Amdarius
01.02.2012 , 01:46 PM | #68
There simply aren't enough people PVP'ing to do bracketing. I have to wait a long time when I queue for PVP on a heavily populated server as it is.

I don't mind not being the highest level person in PVP. At least I get to play, get exp, learn lessons, and get rewards.

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Merkmerk
01.02.2012 , 01:47 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by XenonParsec View Post
Are people still trying to convince others that the bolster system magically solves everything?

I dont get a talent point bolster. I know I know, in your crazy universe, toons fighting with 20+ point talent tree disparity is "balance." Yeah, my level 11 sorc without chain lighting, forked lighting, lightning effusion, shield buff and thundering blast is just as balanced as a 49, I just need to "get a team" or "learn how to pvp."

Sure thing Cletus.

OP is 100% correct, and the people arguing against brackets are scared of their ez mode being taken away. If you heroes want to bully nubs, at least have enough sack to ride out into the contested zones.
Bolster is fine for 1-49. It's not enough to make up for the abilities/skills, and a team of 30-49s would probably destroy a team full of 10-25s, but that scenario isn't as common and isn't really an issue.

The real issue lies exclusively with 50s and the gear advantage.

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Darth_Vampirius
01.02.2012 , 01:49 PM | #70
I am pro-brackets. It gets old trying to PVP and ending up in a group with 6 level 10s against 8 level 50s. It gets old, FAST...
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//We have seen the argument of Skill vs. Gear throughout the existence of MMO PvP and we are of the opinion both are good for an RPG, falling on one side of the scale (gear has no purpose in PvP vs. gear is the only thing that matters in PvP) is not desirable.//