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Libertine
01.02.2012 , 05:38 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by CriticalAtheist View Post
I was talking mainly about Black Talon and Hammer Station bosses, seeing as we've only done those.

If you claim that is infact a timed enrage, ill tell my group to step it up.

I might have been mistaken, but the enrage always seemed to occur at 25% flat.. probably just a coinsidence.

Thanks for the feedback
its a buff the dude gets ... not that hard to find out ...

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Iwipe
01.02.2012 , 06:41 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by CriticalAtheist View Post
I was talking mainly about Black Talon and Hammer Station bosses, seeing as we've only done those.

If you claim that is infact a timed enrage, ill tell my group to step it up.

I might have been mistaken, but the enrage always seemed to occur at 25% flat.. probably just a coinsidence.

Thanks for the feedback
There is no hardmode for Hammer Station. We being running Black Talon HM for days now, farming gear drops to prep for operations. There is a tight enrage timer on Commander G but you can kite him as a tank after he enrages.

There is also a tight enrage timer on the bonus droid boss but you can los him behind a pillar.

For the last boss (bubblegum), her enrage timer is short too and so far we have not found a way get around the enrage timer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDVz...t_tqHKfIkMTjdv (bubblegum)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAOg...tqlQrnyS7gJJED (Commander G)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI8Rc...pxMWagq7d_feju (bonus droid)

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darkonnis
01.02.2012 , 06:43 AM | #13
Yeah enrages is a timed thing. First time we ran BT hardmode we thought it was a % thing too so we idled him down ready to burst but obviously he raged at 50% not 20% so now, we just go for gold from the off.

Depending on the boss, a good tank and healer should survive enrage shot term, as an assassin i just pop everything, usually have lightning saved up ready to heal me as soon as my cd's wear off or if im dying the healer gets in there with his castables (using an operative) and we're usually ok.
The hardest boss i've encountered this on is boarding party because of the AOE from the boss and the constant healing. We did it... but died to the medic thus no loot which was highly highly annoying.
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malevs
01.02.2012 , 06:52 AM | #14
You can survive a lot of Flashpoint enrages for a good while, as long as the boss is sub ~15% you can kill it with cooldowns usually.

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Valete
01.02.2012 , 08:40 AM | #15
Having done quite a few of these as well, I will echo it is a timer, not % based. Beind dps myself, you have to use EVERYTHING at your disposal. Relics, Stims, the whole 9 yards. This isn't your grandmothers hardmode.

I will say this though, they really need to institute a combat log or dps meter or something. Having those '*** just happened' moments is quite annoying and would REALLY be nice to know what is actually hitting people as to avoid it next time.

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Farabee
01.02.2012 , 08:58 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by CriticalAtheist View Post
I was talking mainly about Black Talon and Hammer Station bosses, seeing as we've only done those.

If you claim that is infact a timed enrage, ill tell my group to step it up.

I might have been mistaken, but the enrage always seemed to occur at 25% flat.. probably just a coinsidence.

Thanks for the feedback
Since this thread seems to consist of a bunch of wannabe blowhards...(btw didnt know Hammer has a hardmode!)

There are 2 kinds of Enrage on the Black Talon bosses: hard enrage (happens after a certain time period) and soft enrage (happens at a particular percent).

For example, Yadira Ban has a hard enrage after around 2 minutes. This is a mechanic designed to wipe groups. Her soft enrage is at 10%, and should be planned for with cooldown usage by a tank; ie I'm a Juggernaut so I pop Invincible plus Saber Ward plus the Last Stand type ability (cant remember SWTOR name) and if I have one an armor adrenal. The idea is that at 10% eveyrone needs to pop cooldowns to kill the boss.

I think it's a bit silly that the effects are one and the same in this game; typically in MMOs the timer-based enrage is a guaranteed wipe while the percentage based ones are a bit softer but there doesn't seem to be any difference between the damage output in SWTOR. This usually results in DPS dying to AOE effects by the boss sub-10% "because screw you that's why".

Anyways there's your answer, I read all of page 1 and people being snide so someone may have answered you on P2, but I'd had enough misinformation by the time I got there. FYI, I've cleared HM BT twice and just killed FE yesterday, I've been 50 for all of 3 days (IRL not played).
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socoamaretto
01.02.2012 , 09:01 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Iwipe View Post
There is no hardmode for Hammer Station. We being running Black Talon HM for days now, farming gear drops to prep for operations. There is a tight enrage timer on Commander G but you can kite him as a tank after he enrages.

There is also a tight enrage timer on the bonus droid boss but you can los him behind a pillar.

For the last boss (bubblegum), her enrage timer is short too and so far we have not found a way get around the enrage timer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDVz...t_tqHKfIkMTjdv (bubblegum)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAOg...tqlQrnyS7gJJED (Commander G)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI8Rc...pxMWagq7d_feju (bonus droid)
Or your dps could actually spend the million+ credits they got during leveling and buy some decent upgrades/figure out how to dps. Enrages shouldn't be a problem in BT with how easy most of the mechanics are.

Also lol to how people say SWTOR isn't free epics, BT HM and pvp are an example of just that.

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Conspire
01.02.2012 , 09:27 AM | #18
How the hell is this on the first page of this sub-forum? 200% changed to 20%.. LOL. It's hard mode buddy, you're just incompetent.

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Iwipe
01.02.2012 , 09:37 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Farabee View Post
Since this thread seems to consist of a bunch of wannabe blowhards...(btw didnt know Hammer has a hardmode!)

There are 2 kinds of Enrage on the Black Talon bosses: hard enrage (happens after a certain time period) and soft enrage (happens at a particular percent).

For example, Yadira Ban has a hard enrage after around 2 minutes. This is a mechanic designed to wipe groups. Her soft enrage is at 10%, and should be planned for with cooldown usage by a tank; ie I'm a Juggernaut so I pop Invincible plus Saber Ward plus the Last Stand type ability (cant remember SWTOR name) and if I have one an armor adrenal. The idea is that at 10% eveyrone needs to pop cooldowns to kill the boss.

I think it's a bit silly that the effects are one and the same in this game; typically in MMOs the timer-based enrage is a guaranteed wipe while the percentage based ones are a bit softer but there doesn't seem to be any difference between the damage output in SWTOR. This usually results in DPS dying to AOE effects by the boss sub-10% "because screw you that's why".

Anyways there's your answer, I read all of page 1 and people being snide so someone may have answered you on P2, but I'd had enough misinformation by the time I got there. FYI, I've cleared HM BT twice and just killed FE yesterday, I've been 50 for all of 3 days (IRL not played).
Have not seen a soft enrage. You can see the hard enrage b/c the boss gets a buff..

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Farabee
01.02.2012 , 10:07 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Iwipe View Post
Have not seen a soft enrage. You can see the hard enrage b/c the boss gets a buff..
The last boss of HM BT (Yadira) will ALWAYS get the enrage buff at 10% like clockwork. You can DPS her down in 2 minutes, you can do it in 20 seconds, she'll always enrage and start killing people. It's meant to force people to pop cooldowns and kill her.
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