I hope they never release a DPS meter

We get rid of the RPG, if nothing else, unless you want to roleplay a calculator. Obsessive quantification has replaced the way numbers connect you to the action, as they turn into the action itself. What used to be a game of adventure, turns into a game of numbers. And that's no longer a fair representation of traditional adventure, it's a fair representation of a genre that has turned into a game of numerical dissection.

Numbers was always supposed to connect you to the action, but now the action is dictated by numbers. Which kills off anything but a red line going from A to B. It becomes a linear track, following the shortest route possible. And so dies the spirit of adventure, drowned by the calculated approach. And yet, interaction holds room for so much more, all killed by the mechanical approach.

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Possibly the biggest load of trash I've read on these forums so far.

I've seen so many people throw around the word lazy in their posts when it isn't warranted. Stop having rose tinted glasses and nostalgia tripping about how apparently everything was harder "back in the good old days". The same people constantly spout "Go back to WoW if it's so easy!!". Jesus - This game isn't so hard either.

My signature is my only other contribution I have to this thread. Stop being bad.

Damage Meters are the height of laziness. They don't contribute to raid encounters. They skew the data of the encounter. And all of the information can and should be figured out by hand if you really give a crap about the numbers.

Here's an excellent example ...

Blackwing Lair. Back in ye olden days of WoW.

DPS for a Rogue and a Mage.

First encounter, Razorgore. DPS meter tells us what exactly? Certainly not anything meaningful about winning the encounter.

Next boss, Vaelstraaz. DPS Meter again tells us only that if a rogue tops the DPS charts (like i often did) ... I was ... a- Placed correctly. And b- healed by the paladin correctly. Not that I was doing anything better than anyone else.

Broodlord . DPS Meter tells us what about this encounter? Nada. The toughest part of that fight is just getting there.

Firemaw, Ebonroc and Flamegor. All endurance fests. The DPS Meter isn't giving you any useful information here.

Chromaggus? Really? This fight is about the tactic, not the damage meter.

And finally, Nefarian. The entire fight is again about coordination, not damage meters.

Damage meters are indeed the height of laziness. And never have much at all to do with end-game raid encounters.

Strategy. Tactics. Teamwork. That's how you beat raid encounters. Your damage meter can stay at home.

We get rid of the RPG, if nothing else, unless you want to roleplay a calculator. Obsessive quantification has replaced the way numbers connect you to the action, as they turn into the action itself. What used to be a game of adventure, turns into a game of numbers. And that's no longer a fair representation of traditional adventure, it's a fair representation of a genre that has turned into a game of numerical dissection.

Numbers was always supposed to connect you to the action, but now the action is dictated by numbers. Which kills off anything but a red line going from A to B. It becomes a linear track, following the shortest route possible. And so dies the spirit of adventure, drowned by the calculated approach. And yet, interaction holds room for so much more, all killed by the mechanical approach.

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Those are the single most useless things ever implemented in an MMO. When DPS meters are put in, people forget their class, forget their intended roles, and sometimes wipe entire groups just so they can say 'my numbers were higher than yours'.

Please BW, and modding community (if there is one for this game), I beg you not to create any form of damage meter so that the classes focus on getting the job done, and not getting the insignificant numbers higher than other people's insignificants numbers.

So very true. I have done countless runs through flashpoints and tons of the Heroic 4 missions. Not one time did anyone say anything derogatory to anyone else. The mobs were targeted and were killed. The tank tanked the healer healed and the dps hit stuff. Have had an awesome time to this point. In fact, oddly enough, the only complaining I have seen is only on these forums. The complaints seem to disappear in game. Odd.

There are very few MMO's that actually have damage meters. Of course WoW, the biggest of them all has recount so everyone now thinks every MMO should have one.

To be honest I dont mind the meter actually. When used by mature people it can be very helpful in tuning your charactr; however, as WoW has proven damage meters in the hands of children are never a good thing.

TL/DR: The meters are fine. The attitude they bring is not.

Damage Meters are the height of laziness. They don't contribute to raid encounters. They skew the data of the encounter. And all of the information can and should be figured out by hand if you really give a crap about the numbers.

Here's an excellent example ...

Blackwing Lair. Back in ye olden days of WoW.

DPS for a Rogue and a Mage.

First encounter, Razorgore. DPS meter tells us what exactly? Certainly not anything meaningful about winning the encounter.

Next boss, Vaelstraaz. DPS Meter again tells us only that if a rogue tops the DPS charts (like i often did) ... I was ... a- Placed correctly. And b- healed by the paladin correctly. Not that I was doing anything better than anyone else.

Broodlord . DPS Meter tells us what about this encounter? Nada. The toughest part of that fight is just getting there.

Firemaw, Ebonroc and Flamegor. All endurance fests. The DPS Meter isn't giving you any useful information here.

Chromaggus? Really? This fight is about the tactic, not the damage meter.

And finally, Nefarian. The entire fight is again about coordination, not damage meters.

Damage meters are indeed the height of laziness. And never have much at all to do with end-game raid encounters.

Strategy. Tactics. Teamwork. That's how you beat raid encounters. Your damage meter can stay at home.

I don't give a damn about "adventure" when I'm trying to figure out if XxBoBAFeTTxX or SEPHIROTH42069 is the one that sucks and needs to be kicked in order for us to beat the boss. Or hey, I might even be the one that sucks. I would never know without a meter. If my damage is not where it should be because of user error, I want to know about it, so I can fix the problem. I strive for greatness in every game I play, and so should anyone who wants to be serious about completing content like Heroic modes or Raiding.

Not that either of those, it seems, are difficult enough to warrant needing to be on top of your game to do. That's a whole other disappointment, and a whole other conversation.