The end is nigh, the sky is falling, we are all doomed! and other such nonsense.

I guess by that logic that other game has been dying for 7 years.

No mmo in history has kept every subscriber that signed up for the free month.

Lol and if it wasn't for the IP do you seriously think this game would even have one tenth of its subscribers now? Or even if people would put up with the crap?

George Lucas has given the idea, BW/EA have not delivered as well as they should/could have for something that has been hyped so much.

If Trion had the IP of starwars then the game would have launched much better, because in 2011/2012 when you have a game that isn't tied to any massive franchise and you still have a very good launch, still have more content released after 6 months than any other mmo to date, you are doing very well and players would want that company making games for them.

That is what mmo's should be like, sorry, I enjoy playing the game but what I don't enjoy is people who really don't see the bigger picture and what players should have considering the money, the time and the year we live in.

Unfortunately, that other game IS the par

People complain about it, but they don't make excuses.

I've seen at least 5 MMOs fail, they all have this same pattern

"But it's still in beta!"
"But it just released!"
"But they'll patch it!"

Guess which stage were on

In fact i remember DISTINCTLY almost word for word, the title of your post showing up on Warhammer forums, chastising people who quit

If someone thinks the game is doomed, they should not invest any more of their hard earned money in it. Do you write a letter of complaint to every company that you bought a product you were less than satisfied with? Clearly there will always be a percentage of people dissatisfied with any product, that is how life works, I love Anchovies on pizza, some people hate them, to each his own.

I am not saying that people should not post any criticism of this game, it is not perfect and needs some work, but the majority of the critical posts on this, or any other MMO forum for that matter serve no useful purpose, they criticize and compare, but offer no useful solutions.

I never played warhammer, or posted on their forum, as for this forum, I never chastised anyone for quitting, in fact, If you believe the game will fail, I encourage it. I would never say someone should continue paying their hard earned money for something they are unsatisfied with.

What I am saying is that if you really want to play this game, but think it needs work, then post that in a constructive manor, and leave the emotional outbursts out of it.

I agree with the OP.

Yes its 2011/2012, and it is 8 years after the release of WoW, but that what people keep leaving out is the experience factor. You simply cannot walk in to an MMORPG and be king. Blizzard has learned many thing over the years and for us to expect that Bioware inherit that 8 years of experience under their belt with their first MMORPG screams the ignorance of the entitlement generation.

The proof is in the pudding - not in my lovely red specs. Its the most successful MMO in history by about 5 billion miles. I played at launch and, I repeat, the fundamentals were close to perfect.

So I'll go ahead and make a controversial statement - WOW's launch is the best in MMO history... still. And you know why that is? Its nothing to do with bugs or server queues, content, features, UI customisation, server downtime etc etc. That's all just an idiotic nonsense that morons obsess over.

Its all about the gameplay. That's why WOW has beaten all comers and will beat SWTOR aswell. You either match WOWs gameplay, and the sheer enjoyment of the combat or you slide into the B leagues after the first month. WOW pvp was obscenely vibrant even before they implemented a PVP system simply because the game was just fun... the combat was fun and there was no niggling feeling of clunkiness. They got it right, at launch where it really counts.

I havent played the game for many months now, and I have no reason to have any allegiance to any game. I'm just a consumer looking for the best gaming experience I can get. SWTOR must get this right or they will be competing with Rift, Conan, Warhammer and Aion for the scraps off of Blizzard's table.

I sincerely hope they manage it.

Every mmo has flaws and bugs at launch thats true.

Game breaking bugs that dont get fixed in the first 2 patches however.. yeh thats pretty messed up.

I'm talking about companion and story game breaking bugs.
There are several 100 page threads in the customer service about companions not talking / disappearing or otherwise not working right, which to me means its over.
I play this game for the story.. as its not an mmo-mmo but singleplayer online experience.

Other problems are class stories that cannot be completed nor with any work around.
1 example : bounty hunter one of the end class quests.
Doesnt work right so you cant go to Ilum and continue on there.

Thats a pretty big one frankly.

Similar problems for the JK.

And this is just from the top of my head.

What does patch 2 bring? pvp lockbox fixes.... :'))))))

Playing devil's advocate here... why should we just accept that "all MMOs launch with bugs". Why do we as a customer base accept that? Why not demand more? To that end, I don't see many of the complaints as unreasonable (although the manner in which they are expressed usually is.)


That's not really true. WoW's launch was fairly seamless except for lag due to population. There were some server problems that required hardware upgrades. But in terms of bugs an playability? WoW is still the reigning champ for MMO launches.

Also, WoW did set the standard for the genre. When it launched, it took everything we knew and cranked it up a notch. Then, over the years have refined it further, adding innovations and creature comforts.

Any game coming out today has to compete with WoW today, not WoW when it came out. We dismiss most of the new games because they don't have the budget that Blizzard/Activision has. But BioWare/EA does, so that's why people have ultra-high expectations.

i really hope the devs don't listen to the cry baby WoW players and keep this game unique. they need to focus on handeling the bugs, the exploits, performance, and NOT change the game fundamentally - a mistake SWG made.