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The end is nigh, the sky is falling, we are all doomed! and other such nonsense.

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The end is nigh, the sky is falling, we are all doomed! and other such nonsense.

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Dianoia
01.01.2012 , 02:35 PM | #41
I agree 100%, OP.

I've played a lot of MMOs. This has had probably the smoothest launch, next to Rift.

For me, it's about having fun. SWTOR is the most fun MMO I've played in a very long while. Probably the most fun since vailla/TBC WoW.

"Polish" and "features" are only game-breaking if they make the game, as a whole, NOT fun. And I haven't had a single missing feature or bug make the game not fun for me.

There are always doomsayers and people who will complain, either because something kicked-started them emotionally or because they set their own expectations way too high.

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fatoldguy
01.01.2012 , 02:37 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Tikaru View Post
"Do as I say, not as I do."
I was replying directly to a point someone else brought up, using wording that they used, thanks for playing though.
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PappaCube
01.01.2012 , 02:37 PM | #43
OP is wise indeed!
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Elgarr
01.01.2012 , 02:37 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by fatoldguy View Post
As a fat old guy, yes truth in advertising in a forum name, I really do not understand the instant gratification generation. What MMO has ever launched in state that it was flawless and completely polished? All games have issues at launch, most far more than this one has.

I have been playing MMO's since UO, and they all needed a lot of work at the beginning. The current king of MMO's, WOW was nothing at all like it is now when it launched, in fact it's launch was infinitely worse than this one, it took years to make it into what it is now, which leads me to another issue. Sometimes enough people complaining make developers do things that in the long run effect the game in unintended ways, SWG is a perfect example of this as is to a lesser extent WOW. SWG was basically destroyed by these complaints, and resulting changes, and WOW is in decline I believe for similar reasons.

So be careful what you ask for, complaints can be constructive, but they can also be counterproductive, If you see a glaring issue, post about it in a reasonable manor, free of hyperbole, with no comparisons to other games, and without predictions of impending doom, list the issues and if you feel you must, what you think can be done about them, and leave it at that.

In short, nothing is perfect, you will never get everything you want, and complaining about things is not always going to get the result you desire, the sooner you realize these things, the happier your life will be. Old guy rant over.
Sorry to burst your bubble, it's now 2012!

Wow was released 7 yrs ago, EQ/UO even longer back.

if Sony released the new front line state of the art media player tomorrow, but it was a VHS player, we would all laugh.

Let's not forget,technology advances, understanding of where others have failed and learning by their mistakes do also.

Let's plz stop comparing this to games released years ago, a time before people had a chance to really learn from others. We as players expect far more considering how long mmo's have been around for and how much we pay for mmo's in 2012.

Look at the engine swtor uses, in 2012 it's prehistoric.

If you are happy to spend $100000 on a brand new sports car and end up with a 1982 ford capri, then enjoy. Just don't expect others to be quite so gullible!

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Saitada
01.01.2012 , 02:38 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by fatoldguy View Post
LOL they removed a few replies here that involved "history" gotta love forum mods.
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Larlar
01.01.2012 , 02:40 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by fatoldguy View Post
So the big boy was perfect at launch? I was there, it was a horrible mess compared to this. It all got fixed in time, why do people think this will not?
I agree entirely with Umbral.

WOW wasn't perfect at launch but its fundamentals were very close to being perfect. It played beautifully right from the outset, and that is something that cannot be said for every one of the 'challengers' of the last six years including SWTOR. I firmly believe that if the fundamentals of this game were right and it was a pleasure to play and fight in PVP and PVE there would be far less complaints as people would just be playing it rather than moaning on the forums.

Because the fundamentals are not perfect people are noticing and complaining about all the other stuff because playing the game isn't perfectly smooth at present. Its just not quite right, and the content of the ability delay/responsiveness thread (on number 3 now as 2 got so big they had to be locked) is essential to the survival of this game.

So, for me, I agree that the whining over features is silly but its part of a wider problem.

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fatoldguy
01.01.2012 , 02:42 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Dianoia View Post
I agree 100%, OP.

I've played a lot of MMOs. This has had probably the smoothest launch, next to Rift.

For me, it's about having fun. SWTOR is the most fun MMO I've played in a very long while. Probably the most fun since vailla/TBC WoW.

"Polish" and "features" are only game-breaking if they make the game, as a whole, NOT fun. And I haven't had a single missing feature or bug make the game not fun for me.

There are always doomsayers and people who will complain, either because something kicked-started them emotionally or because they set their own expectations way too high.



Rift had a great launch, and they have shown that a company can respond positively to problems pointed out with their game, I think the reason they are not still growing stems from a lack of compelling story more than any real glaring deficiencies.

Though their game is not hugely popular, I give them kudo's for how they have tried to deal with a increasingly fickle online gaming community. The only major mistake I have seen them make is in how very Sony like they handled the latest security breach.
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fatoldguy
01.01.2012 , 02:43 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Larlar View Post

WOW wasn't perfect at launch but its fundamentals were very close to being perfect. It played beautifully right from the outset, and that is something that cannot be said for every one of the 'challengers' of the last six years including SWTOR.
Where can I find some of those rose colored glasses?
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AdamHDMI
01.01.2012 , 02:44 PM | #49
A very wise post indeed. Much respect to you Sir. Only if the rest of the player-base were like this...
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Blackwater
01.01.2012 , 02:46 PM | #50
You know what the first signs of an MMO dying is?

When people start making excuses for being under par

There have been legions of people who have stated they are not resubbing. Not to mention the people who are quitting without saying anything