The end is nigh, the sky is falling, we are all doomed! and other such nonsense.

Well, "love" isn't the word I'd initially use. I'd tell you what word I'd use, but I don't want another infraction so soon. lol

Anyway, excellent post fatoldguy. Your wisdom is the ray of light this dark tunnel full of forum trolls and whiners needs.

Just because a game is new, it is not an excuse. They have quite a faulty product. Being 2011/12 release as well the standards should be a lot higher.

The problem is that 90% of the modern MMO community have no idea how MMO's play at launch. They're all used to 8 year polished WoW, so they set the bar way to high and expect to much.

The problem is that 90% of the modern MMO community have no idea how MMO's play at launch. They're all used to 8 year polished WoW, so they set the bar way to high and expect to much.

So the big boy was perfect at launch? I was there, it was a horrible mess compared to this. It all got fixed in time, why do people think this will not?

I think you are missing the point. SWTOR isn't competing with WoW 7 years ago, it's competing against WoW NOW. It has to be at least as good, if not better, than a game that HAS been continuously worked on for the last 7 years. BioWare can do it, if anyone can, but not by pretending that any problem is OK to ignore just because their game is new. No video game exists in a vacuum, and they don't have the luxury of entering into a market with no seriously competition.

The problem with your post is that it denotes a sticking the head in the sand and pretending that the releases of a number of high profile games in the last 6 or 7 years simply never happened. That the events surrounding the very quick downfall of those games were some fantasy.

SWTOR has very little dissimilar from most of those games, and touting out the fact that WoW didn't have a lot of the things that SWTOR doesn't have as some kind of saving grace for the game is folly.

What did WoW do? It released with pretty much all the most desired gameplay related features that the popular mmos of the day had. Very very little about WoW was new or revolutionary, but it had the features that mmo gamers liked. They simply gave mmo gamers the features and style of game play that had already proven popular in other games. They didn't stick to any "we believe xxxxx so won't be putting that feature in our game" statements.

What did most of the high profile games that have been released since have in common? They decided that having too many features and gameplay elements that were popular in WoW was somhow a bad thing, and held on to some deluded belief that they had to differentiate themselves from WoW by not offering players a lot of the features they were asking for.

So what happened?

The largest bulk of people that bought the games at release were those that hadn't been following the games very closely at all up to release. They came to play at release. They came to play, and immediately noticed that the products weren't up to snuff with what they were used to, and when they asked that the products start getting brought up to snuff with what they were used to, they were attacked by pre-releasee forum hangers on, and met with resounding noes from the companies.

Sound familiar?

You want to play with the big boy on the block? You step up and deliver a lot of what the big boy can deliver. Or at least make it clear that you plan to offer what the big boy can deliver very soon.

You want to be just another scrawny kid that gets kicked to the curb? The kid barely hanging on? You just stick to your little beliefs about what YOUR COMPANY thinks a mmo should be and what features match that, and don't deliver much of what mmo gamers want and (whether you like it or not) expect in the product they choose to spend their hard earned money on.

If you see a glaring issue, post about it in a reasonable manor, free of hyperbole, with no comparisons to other games

What MMO has ever launched in state that it was flawless and completely polished? All games have issues at launch, most far more than this one has.

I have been playing MMO's since UO, and they all needed a lot of work at the beginning. The current king of MMO's, WOW was nothing at all like it is now when it launched, in fact it's launch was infinitely worse than this one, it took years to make it into what it is now

If you see a glaring issue, post about it in a reasonable manor, free of hyperbole, with no comparisons to other games, and without predictions of impending doom, list the issues and if you feel you must, what you think can be done about them, and leave it at that.