LFD needed very much

Again, you too are confusing end-game raiding with dungeons (flashpoints). No ones asking for a raid finding tool. We just want to level at our own pace and get groups when it's convenient for us.

I'd much rather be out playing the game than standing on a station hoping to pull a Flash point group together.

Yeah I remember 10 man scholo/black rock/strat/etc. I also remember rep mattering especially if you wanted tanks to give you a honest look considering a good 1-2 deaths and the gold they lost of repairs was out weighing the benefits the run could offer.

Whatever your thoughts on this issue there is something that should be considered here.

The reason WoW is the undisputed champion of MMOs is one simple fact: Blizzard woke up and realised that if they cater to the casual player they increase their subscriptions.

Bioware and EA are in this to make money, simple as that. They want a chunk of what Blizzard has. As soon as subscriptions begin to drop significantly rest assured TOR will very quickly go the way of SWG.

Even after a slew of cancelled subs WoW still has 10 million people playing it.

10 million.

No other MMO even comes close.

Why? Its simple. WoW is a convenient game to play.

Like it or not, the casuals determine whether or not an MMO stays subscription based and flourishes or loses players, goes F2P and then dies.

So it really comes down to this: do you want a massive game with regular updates played by millions of subscribers which lasts a decade, or do you want a F2P game with 100K subscribers that ends up lasting perhaps another eighteen months? Because in all honesty unless Bioware wake up and start catering to the casual player base TOR will very quickly cease to exist and WoW will continue it's relentless rampage across the MMO landscape.

In other words you want a lvl 50 with best gear in 1 second isnt that efficient time saving aswell?

Yes they were but before WOTLK ask yourself how many of those bad people do you think killed Kil'Jaden and how many of those bad players even stepped inside Naxx40 or AQ40?

Then ask yourself how many people pug with LFR finder in cataclysm in latest raid?

LFG LFR LFD is just boosting noobs to be mary sue happy people who have miserable lives and give 13 euros to BW or any company to make theirs better atleast for few hours...

Ok so your missing out on being in the elite 2% that actually saw the inside of the original Naxx? Now I understand where your coming from.

Last I checked to actually get the gear from a flashpoint, you need to complete it first. Don't see what getting there faster has to do with it, other than that you get to bypass 2-3 loading screens.

You're misunderstanding the context of "bad" in this conversation. It was never about skill, but bad as in poor mannered players. Not to mention we are talking about an LFD tool for flashpoints (dungeons), NOT operations (raids).

Though I find it ironic that you seem to hold raiders in such high regard because in many cases the absolutely worst douchebags in your average random dungeon are the hard core raiders. It is actually what discouraged me originally from going into hardcore raiding.

I rest my case...

You said anything about quests??? I thought we were talking about LFD?

That statement is so stupid it's not even worth responding to.

Nah i never saw Naxx40 in vanilla from inside personally but it gave me motivation to become a much more skilled and better player overall.

Yes but isnt that also time efficiency... if you get all gear and 50 instantly isnt that more ''time efficient'' ?

spamming chat and looking for a group and communicating is part of the skill that should be required from every MMO gamer out there... i understand some people have busy timetables but i am really sorry maybe you shouldnt buy the game in the 1st place then?...

LFD degrades the skill of players overall since it inflates gear since it gives every player(even some good ones i admit) chance of easily finding groups without some skills they should have (manners, understanding, communication, thinking where to search, IQ)

Which later degrades raiding aswell since those people fill up in gear and obviously and logically want more and then they flood the raid tier part (most or majority) and then LFR wow style will happen... its obvious...

Yet you still responded to... however time efficiency is getting something done in the least time... isnt having lvl 50 with all gear then logically most time efficient (not talking about fun only time efficiency)

Welcome to my ignore list Alcarinn, you are literally too ridiculous to talk to.

It is indeed, however, nobody in this or any other thread about the potential of an LFD tool has said that Bioware should just hand out "epics". The process of acquiring gear really only starts once you get inside the flashpoint itself. Whether you spend time running or teleporting to the location has absolutely no bearing on how hard it is to actually complete the instance.

In fact, I would say most compelling reason to run flashpoints prior to level 50 is solely for the experience, both in points and having fun doing it. If it is gear you want you can just go into the world and do quests that is completely sufficient for your needs.

I on the other hand think it is an outdated and antiquated system, one that will eventually, one way or another be replaced. But we can agree to disagree.

You need neither skill or be sociable to find a group in the absence of the LFD tool. That is the biggest illusion that people keep clinging to. It also has nothing to do with a player skill itself. What degrades skill is if the content is too easy, which is a another matter entirely. I am all for having the content be difficult and challenging. If anything that will lessen the need to make players grind and force them to run dungeons literally hundreds of times over and over in order to get what they need.

That would be a positive development but doesn't exclude the existence of a good LFD system.