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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Never seen a valid argument against the LFD

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Alcarinn
01.01.2012 , 06:19 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax View Post
I have seen people posting for and against the LFD but I have never really seen any rational argument against it.

Argument:

LFD killed the WoW community and before the LFD there was a great solid community.

umm, what WoW did you play? The WoW community was full of ninja looters, cry babies, and general jerks long before the LFD was ever invented

Argument:

LFD killed guilds.

Guild ranks is what hurt guilds, the LFD made people want to group with the guild first and use the LFD only if they had to. If anything it made guilds stronger.

Argument:

Looking for people in trade channels builds friendships and a better community

umm, what? spamming a channel is spamming a channel and nothing more. Remember the LFD tries to group you with people on your own server first in WoW, giving you more chances to meet people then spamming a channel ever could.


I have never seen a valid reason against the LFD, all I have seen are people remembering something that never actually excited, this super tight server community in WoW.

You are answering half on half arguments ...

Look before LFG cross server after 6 months everyone knew who the ninja and crybaby is...

Good players had good players on friendslists resulting in idiots, noob players not being invited in groups since their names were well known via realm forums and guild reputation

LFG means i go sit in capital click get group without any COMMUNICATION SKILLS...(see noone invites a player that goes in LFG '' I am skillz smuggler plz invite'')

LFG/D is crap... realm only LFG would be probably ok but cross realm is out of the question since it broke community...

And WoW had a community dont lie to yourself... i remember in vanilla we had ''alliance'' with a guild and went together in ZG with 25 best of both guilds for easier playing and it was so much fun... This was nowhere to be seen in TBC and on especially in WOTLK people sat in capital sleeping and noobing afking in 15 min heroics...

instances went from fun 3 hour Stratholme hardcore run into boring 15 min(and now in cata 30min) spam fest for tokens or points....

LFD is a lazy way for lazy people who think they are entitled to everything since they want to have ''real life'' which usually consists of multiple unwritten rules that they deem HOLY and will follow them and try to bend the game tools to their wish.

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rocket_dog
01.01.2012 , 06:19 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Stirbend View Post
You probably never saw the sort of community it made since you never actually played wow before lfd. Or when leveling guilds existed for something other than to sit in for buffs. The server communities tend to be a lot tighter on PvP servers where world PvP is prominent.
Please don't word things like they are fact and not opinion. I know you are not trying to troll anybody. Myself (and many others here, I'm sure) have played WoW before the LFD tool was implemented and I'm simply not seeing where it killed the game. I remember having tanks on my friends list (was a healer) and it was alright, but I've always loved the cross-realm LFD tool.

It's so simple, really. If you want to play with the same players, make friends, and roll on items with people you trust, join a guild. Dead horses are being beaten, it's just unfortunate that such a good feature faces not being implemented because of strange, empty arguments. I realize that anonymity makes people act like jerks but people have that regardless, and yes I remember things being ninjad with reckless abandon even before LFD.

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joeragu
01.01.2012 , 06:22 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Alcarinn View Post
LFD is a lazy way for lazy people who think they are entitled to everything since they want to have ''real life'' which usually consists of multiple unwritten rules that they deem HOLY and will follow them and try to bend the game tools to their wish.
Had to stop taking you seriously here. Yes most of us have 'Real Lives'. Not sure what you consider your life. Are you living at home or are you on the dole or what that you can live your life though a virtual world?

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Reevax
01.01.2012 , 06:23 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Stirbend View Post
You probably never saw the sort of community it made since you never actually played wow before lfd. Or when leveling guilds existed for something other than to sit in for buffs. The server communities tend to be a lot tighter on PvP servers where world PvP is prominent.
I waited in line to buy WoW at EB when it launched

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Alcarinn
01.01.2012 , 06:24 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by rocket_dog View Post
Please don't word things like they are fact and not opinion. I know you are not trying to troll anybody. Myself (and many others here, I'm sure) have played WoW before the LFD tool was implemented and I'm simply not seeing where it killed the game. I remember having tanks on my friends list (was a healer) and it was alright, but I've always loved the cross-realm LFD tool.

It's so simple, really. If you want to play with the same players, make friends, and roll on items with people you trust, join a guild. Dead horses are being beaten, it's just unfortunate that such a good feature faces not being implemented because of strange, empty arguments. I realize that anonymity makes people act like jerks but people have that regardless, and yes I remember things being ninjad with reckless abandon even before LFD.
1st If it is implemented it makes people lazy resulting in less people doing what they are doing now(communication)

2nd yes ninjas were always but once they ninjaed once or maybe twice half of the actual realm knew about the douchebag and he never got a good guild or a good raid pug....

With LFG noone cares since the chances of seeing that person in a crossrealm LFG are probably less than 1:100000

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Rheinland
01.01.2012 , 06:26 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Alcarinn View Post
1st If it is implemented it makes people lazy resulting in less people doing what they are doing now(communication)

2nd yes ninjas were always but once they ninjaed once or maybe twice half of the actual realm knew about the douchebag and he never got a good guild or a good raid pug....

With LFG noone cares since the chances of seeing that person in a crossrealm LFG are probably less than 1:100000
So if its not implemented its going to result in people getting out of the house and stop being lazy? People are going to take up more productive hobbies?

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Aleeha
01.01.2012 , 06:27 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by aznthecapn View Post
You rolled on two extrememly old and high population servers. They are the exception to the rule.



Those are absurd generalizations and just plain dumb. A tool allowing you to look for a group on your server (better than what exists now) will solve the LFD problem without harming server community.
LFD was initially a server tool and was later expanded into cross server. As for the argument of harming the server community? How?!? For the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000th time how exactly does it HARM the damn community?

LFD is an awesome tool for people who are time constrained, in lower populated guilds (this is probably a shock to you but sometimes friends form guilds for just themselves, so if there are only 10 of you and only 1 online), lower populated servers, the time of day that people play (not everyone plays in prime time), well it's a good tool for anyone who wants to use it.

LFD is a bad tool for people who like to complain and whine. LFD isn't a good tool for people who are elitist as you'll find a wide variety of player skills.

LFD is NOT FREAKING EVER BEEN REQUIRED TO COMPLETE CONTENT AND YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO USE IT. YOU CAN STILL COMPLETE THE ENTIRE GAME WITHOUT EVER USING A TOOL LIKE LFD.

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Alcarinn
01.01.2012 , 06:37 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Rheinland View Post
So if its not implemented its going to result in people getting out of the house and stop being lazy? People are going to take up more productive hobbies?
No it will result people actually kiddos to finally try and speak english not their weird idea of english since otherwise mature smart players will not invite them in groups....

with LFD you have NO or barely any power over your group now you have full power...

Decide does the flashpoint outweights you ''wanting to do other quests'' or not if it does then maybe you dont ''deserve'' to play flashpoint...

A smart person who is well was a CEO of a company once told me ''the value of anything is the amount of time you are willing to exchange for it'' Guess you dont value something enough to exchange this required time for it...

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ImperialSun
01.01.2012 , 06:41 AM | #29
1. For every wow player who says LFD is a blessin there is another wow player who says the opposite.

2. BW have already stated LFD is not being implemented because they want to create an atmosphere of community and player dependency. BW obviously thinks LFD has an adverse effect on community.

Doesnt matter what the armchair devs and wow kiddies demand as BW have set their stall out already on this issue.

Its just the wow whiners think their sub entitles them to demand BW reverse their design choice...hopefully BW will stick to their guns otherwise the game WILL end up in the same state as wow in a couple of years and nobody wants that...

Driz

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Rheinland
01.01.2012 , 06:43 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Alcarinn View Post
No it will result people actually kiddos to finally try and speak english not their weird idea of english since otherwise mature smart players will not invite them in groups....

with LFD you have NO or barely any power over your group now you have full power...

Decide does the flashpoint outweights you ''wanting to do other quests'' or not if it does then maybe you dont ''deserve'' to play flashpoint...

A smart person who is well was a CEO of a company once told me ''the value of anything is the amount of time you are willing to exchange for it'' Guess you dont value something enough to exchange this required time for it...
Videogame= lazy?
value= time spent

time spent on videogame= value from being lazy?