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"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

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"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

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Atalantia
12.31.2011 , 10:15 PM | #81
I enjoy the game the way it is without LFG, and all the addons that WoW has and the 2 button macro system of Rift

Probably why I dont play either any longer
Was before F2P

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dharh
12.31.2011 , 10:17 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Fireline View Post
So basically, I should unsub and come back in 5-7 years if I want an MMO according to todays standards?
Today's standards? There are standards? What are they, and what happens when I disagree with them? Are they WoW standards? If so, then even WoW fails at its own standards.
A warrior keeps death on the mind from the moment of his first breath to the moment of his last.

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Jimsvaliant
12.31.2011 , 10:19 PM | #83
Another entitlement post.

Consider how long it took for WoW to be developed and how long it took for Swtor to be developed.

Both games taking years to be created and WoW having an additional 7 years worth of fixes and content development. Swtor comes out and you give the game about 1 week before comparing it to games that took years to release + years of additional fixes and content to be added.

That's where the flaw in your argument it.

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Nemmar
12.31.2011 , 10:26 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Gidoru View Post
Let me summarize your reply.

1. Use the arguments i stated are invalid but expanded and reworded and this without proving them to be valid. Check
2. Assume i am making demands or complaining when i went through great lengths to state my actual intention and clearly stated i am not trying to do what you are accusing me of. Check

Cool. Just another another i person that lacks reading comprehension and or jumps to post a reply without thinking.
Oh dear... you're even worse than i thought.

There is much invalid with your original post, even the comparison itself is dumb and you assume that some features arent here due to incompetence when in fact they are design choices.
Also, you dont speak for the majority of people nor are the people of this forum representative of the majority of players.

This is a good game. Any normal people who has half a brain-cell understands that.
Unfortunely, the kids think beeing critical over everything is beeing cool and thus we have you. Cool? Nope. Check

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Fireline
12.31.2011 , 10:26 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by NovusAnimus View Post
If you had never played WoW before, I would say this is actually a reasonable decision.

I bet good money you have though, and I bet good money most people here have played a lot of WoW. So the investment in something new with a higher base multiplier will pay off for those of us burnt out on WoW (most of the human race at this point).
I played WoW for 1 and a half years, and stopped last june or july, at this point after having played this genre for quite a while now, I'm uterly bored by some of the basics such as the combat for instance, I am not pointing it as a flaw in SW or anything, the combat type is well done for what it is(except that delay thing), I just think MMO's needs to move forward, and the combat is one of the things-

Quote: Originally Posted by dharh View Post
Today's standards? There are standards? What are they, and what happens when I disagree with them? Are they WoW standards? If so, then even WoW fails at its own standards.
Let me point out to you some of today's standards that have got nothing, if barelly anything to do with WoW.

Target of target feature
Focus frame
being ablet to resize my UI (being generous here, could ask much more of an UI) try playing in a 32 inch screen and see the ability buttons the size of my head is just retarded)
A decent Auction House (one that doesn't make me fear going to post items in it at least just because it anoys me to no end)
Some kind of more meaningful PvP I can take some pride on.

Do you think any of these shouldn't be a standard for a traditional type of MMORPG, with the basic MMORPG combat that SW, and many other games has?
Cruel to be Kind

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Nemmar
12.31.2011 , 10:28 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Fireline View Post
I played WoW for 1 and a half years, and stopped last june or july, at this point after having played this genre for quite a while now, I'm uterly bored by some of the basics such as the combat for instance, I am not pointing it as a flaw in SW or anything, the combat type is well done for what it is(except that delay thing), I just think MMO's needs to move forward, and the combat is one of the things-



Let me point out to you some of today's standards that have got nothing, if barelly anything to do with WoW.

Target of target feature
Focus frame
being ablet to resize my UI (being generous here, could ask much more of an UI) try playing in a 32 inch screen and see the ability buttons the size of my head is just retarded
A decent Auction House (one that doesn't make me fear going to post items in it at least just because it anoys me to no end)
Some kind of more meaningful PvP I can take some pride on.
Secondary issues are secondary.

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Andryah
12.31.2011 , 10:31 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Antifaith View Post
Ability delay due to animations.
Thats all i need, it's a gamebreaker.
This indicates that you are kind of a rigid person, and lack the ability to adapt to changes in your environment, let alone any constraints.

This leads me to believe that in your case, it is you that is the game breaker.

/two cents.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Fireline
12.31.2011 , 10:35 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Atalantia View Post
I enjoy the game the way it is without LFG, and all the addons that WoW has and the 2 button macro system of Rift

Probably why I dont play either any longer
You raised an interesting point there, macros are definitly a very good adition to a game, but they have to be done right.

Your comparison however is wrong, WoW and Rift are nothing alike when it comes to macros.

WoW macros don't allow you to make 2 button macros like rift did, when well done (like in WoW) macros are a very fun to play with, and increase the convinience of play, without making it stupid like rift.

Im gonna give you an eg,

I play a sith assassin, got my Vanish(instant stealth in combat) kind of ability, like in WoW, and my cloak of shadows(removes dots, dots break stealth) kind of ability, just like WoW did.

Now, in WoW there are multiple situations, I had a bind just to vanish, for when i got no dots on me, had a bind just to cloak of shadows to remove dots and not be affected by magic, then i had a bind that would do both at the same time.
I could in this case press cloak of shadows and then vanish, which would require me to press 1 more button than I would have (and I have to in SWTOR) mind these 2 abilities dont use GCD, so can always fire at the same time.

This doesn't make the game easy mode for me, its just convinient, WoW had overall a very good implementation of macros.
Cruel to be Kind

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WickedDjinn
12.31.2011 , 10:35 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Fireline View Post
I played WoW for 1 and a half years, and stopped last june or july, at this point after having played this genre for quite a while now, I'm uterly bored by some of the basics such as the combat for instance, I am not pointing it as a flaw in SW or anything, the combat type is well done for what it is(except that delay thing), I just think MMO's needs to move forward, and the combat is one of the things-



Let me point out to you some of today's standards that have got nothing, if barelly anything to do with WoW.

Target of target feature
Focus frame
being ablet to resize my UI (being generous here, could ask much more of an UI) try playing in a 32 inch screen and see the ability buttons the size of my head is just retarded)
A decent Auction House (one that doesn't make me fear going to post items in it at least just because it anoys me to no end)
Some kind of more meaningful PvP I can take some pride on.

Do you think any of these shouldn't be a standard for a traditional type of MMORPG, with the basic MMORPG combat that SW, and many other games has?
Those are secondary features you would like to have. That doesn't make them standards.

Especially considering that alot of what you are listed came about as player created mods in most MMO's and not from the games themselves...

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Lukeios
12.31.2011 , 10:40 PM | #90
"This game is new" is an acceptable excuse. I'm saying it right now: The game is new and I like it despite it's purported flaws. Look up "Software Development Life Cycle" and then "Maintenance" under the waterfall model. Congratulations, you know a little more about the accepted norms in software development.

It's likely been mentioned already, but in response to the original comparisons: It's not unheard of for cars to be recalled due to defects, or for movies to be released with an extended edition with content that was not originally provided in the movie theater.

Now, if you stand by the notion that something you pay for is 'unacceptable', then I suppose it would be reasonable for me to assert that you stop paying for it. I don't know why you think people can't make an excuse for a company based on an accepted norm within the industry.

/shrug