"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

can u justify the sub so far

You know, if your going to pull the "Talk down to others" card

Maybe you might wanna, I dont know, have a CLUE about what your preaching?

Just a suggestion

Im 2005 the MMORPG genre had been around for 14 years already, produced multiple highly successful titles.

This WOW game you think revolutionalize the MMORPG genre, it didnt have a SINGLE NEW OR ORIGINAL CONCEPT IN IT at release!

The only thing primitive here is your understanding of MMORPG history.

Not that I completely disagree with you thread title.

To some stuff, its not a proper or thought out responce
To others however its bang on the money

But none of that changes fact that you are not MMO knowledgeable enough to speak down to anyone else posting, and thus shouldnt do it.

Primative, YIKES!
JUST YIKES!

You clearly misunderstand.

The question is not, whether there are movies or cars that are incomplete. Nor is the question would you watch a movie that is incomplete.

The question is more so, is it acceptable to have an incomplete movie for which the justification of its lack of completion is simply that the movie is new. To which i am suggesting the answer is no.


I am also fully aware that an MMO is is never truly 'complete' as it is constantly evolving. I quite sure that in my original post i did not use the word 'complete' but rather it was used by those that were replying. Instead i said "lack features" or "is flawed"

As for whether or not the game lacks content, i was, as i stated originally, not trying to address that point, but rather address the use of certain excuses to block out(in the minds of those providing the excuses anyway) valid or constructive criticism.

Fair points but think your find that buggy game releases are now the NORM not the exception

I look at Skyrim for example or any of the many MANY game releases this year, which are then patched and updated.

Get used to buggy, 'incomplete' games is what I am trying to say, its the norm

Hell go look at Skyrim ADDONS to identify how many features it lacked which people created, but people still accept it for what it is, a decent story driven RPG, I think you expect too much from your MMO's which unfortunately causes you to dislike them.

The only loser here is you, you miss out on enjoying things because you have such high expectations

You miss some fundamental points when making your statement.

Everyone keeps judging an MMO, namely SWTOR, based on WoW's 7yrs of development, without considering its not humanely possible to produce that same content and polish over 4yrs of CREATING an MMO

Creating an MMO takes time and effort to develop world, assets, sounds, graphics, the game engine and much much more.

If you carry on to introduce LFD tools, tons of endgame content and lots more what people have been asking you risk overshooting either your budget or your time frame to release the game, for reference look up the game DAIKATANA.

The reality is that people judge SWTOR on WoW's 10yrs of development, not including the 3-4yrs of development time it had just simply creating the game.

You cannot I REPEAT CANNOT judge a game based on any game that preceded it, unless you provide it with the same time to grow and develop.

Its like a expert pianist criticising an amateur pianist for being no good.

Time and resources is something people miss here, and it is a critical reason why NO you can't compare this game to WoW as it is now.

And no you can't just claim that because X game had Y features before it then the developers should automatically introduce it at the games inception. It takes time to develop and introduce these things, have some patience.

If you want to compete in the big boys playground, you come prepared. No excuses sorry. None.

My point stands. I get your reasoning but it still fails to explain why so many hang out here after deciding that the game isn't for them. If you find something lacking, why do you sit around and constantly complain about it instead of simply moving on to something that more readily fits your stated requirements.

SWTOR wasn't created to compete with WoW. It was created to please Star Wars fans.

Get over it.

Let me preface this by saying this isnt a post trashing the game or complaining. This is a post directed at those who that throw around ridiculous and unfounded excuses at the slightest criticism(constructive or not) about this game.

The fact that this game is new or just came out is not an excuse for any flaws or missing features.

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?
Would you buy a car with no engine? I guess thats fine because its new.

Bioware knew full well the types of features and content modern MMOs have. They seemingly had plenty of time and resources to develop this game. Players thinking about purchasing or continuing to play this game are completely justified in expecting that any missing content or features should have been present at launch. Moreover, most of them are complaining because they WANT to like the game and continuing playing, it is simply difficult to justify paying a monthly fee or playing a game you know is lacking fundamental features.

Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.

SWTOR wasn't created to compete with WoW. It was created to please Star Wars fans.

Get over it.