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Gidoru
12.31.2011 , 08:57 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Nabroleon View Post
Welp, I fail to see the point of starting a whole thread about something most people know already.
If you would read about 80% of the posts on this forum, you would realize that this is something most people CLEARLY DO NOT know.

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McAvinue
12.31.2011 , 08:57 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Gidoru View Post
Let me preface this by saying this isnt a post trashing the game or complaining. This is a post directed at those who that throw around ridiculous and unfounded excuses at the slightest criticism(constructive or not) about this game.

The fact that this game is new or just came out is not an excuse for any flaws or missing features.

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?
Would you buy a car with no engine? I guess thats fine because its new.

Bioware knew full well the types of features and content modern MMOs have. They seemingly had plenty of time and resources to develop this game. Players thinking about purchasing or continuing to play this game are completely justified in expecting that any missing content or features should have been present at launch. Moreover, most of them are complaining because they WANT to like the game and continuing playing, it is simply difficult to justify paying a monthly fee or playing a game you know is lacking fundamental features.

Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.
Rift came out this year, and its UI and gaming mechanics were great. Within a short time they also added most of the features people here are complaining about. Do I get credit for comparing two games that came out in the same year, but one is sorely lacking in features and the other is not?
- McAvinue

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skyvortex
12.31.2011 , 08:58 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Zeodic View Post
You know I keep seeing things like this and its sort of a pot and kettle comment.

I cant defend it because I am trying to convince myself that I am enjoying the heck out of a bad game. You can't abuse it then beacuse you are just trying to deny that you hate the heck out of a good game...

Is'nt circular logic fun?
Not even close. I'm not arguing from a bias point of view. I wanted this to be a great game just as much as anyone.
But unfortunately that isnt the reality of it.
Reality.
Or you simply have lower standards. Yes i agree it WoW years to get where it is now. You cannot deny the polish.
However with that being said........when i started playing World of Warcraft a month after its launch i was amazed.
The Old Republic doesn't amaze me. Far from it. The sad truth is it is
clunky
unresponsive
poorly coded so it doesn't run well on most machines regardless of your high end PC (doesn't effect everyone signifying the poor coding)
linear
lacking in options and customization
small minded
cumbersome (questing)
lack of a deep endgame
story is a bad WB show
and buggy.

It sucks i know but i'm not putting my head in the sand and lying to myself telling myself its actually ok.
Reality.

I hear a lot of that "gimme gimme" generation crap. I'm 37 years old, educated, and have been playing video games since my first DOS console BEFORE the intellivision.
I'm too old and have been disappointed too many times not to call "crap" when i see it.
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I want to punch you in the face Skyvortex

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Lonewolf
12.31.2011 , 09:00 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Eegorr View Post
incomplete product.
Define incomplete product

You spout it alot in your retort but don't even define what you consider to be an incomplete product.

To me this is a VERY complete product with regards to an MMO, so I am not quite sure what you expect.

Go back and play every MMO that has been created in the last 8yrs at their inception if it was possible and advise me on whether you consider them incomplete or not when they were released.

And besides its a ridiculous statement anyway, as by its very nature an MMORPG is never 'complete' its always being updated.

Don't you see what you are doing, you are defining a games completeness based on a game which has been updated and polished over 10+yrs

Thats like me complaining that a singleplayer game doesn't have the same content as one released 4yrs ago which now has 5 addon packs, and then complaining that they released an 'INCOMPLETE PRODUCT'

Do you not see yourself saying this? Its so black and white to me, its so infuriating that others are completely blind to it
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Gazzzenn
12.31.2011 , 09:03 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Gidoru View Post
Firstly, can you list for me the successful MMOs that you have developed? In the probable case you cannot, ill withhold considering your 'expert' opinion and insights into making a MMO.

Futhermore, features can certainly be added later. It is a pity however that players (subscribers) make or break a MMO. It is also a pity that players are not very forgiving. They will not wait a year for you catch up in features. Seeing as the goal for this game is to make a successful and long lasting MMO, i dont think the "add features later" approach is acceptable.



I nor anyone else owes Bioware any patience. If this game were free or did not have a monthly subscription fee, then certainly they would be entitled. However people subscribing to this game are paying for service and content. If Bioware cannot provide it they will stop playing.
As for why one does not simply 'stop playing if you dont like it' . As i have said, many people including myself WANT to like and play the game, however it is difficult to justify doing so if you find fundamental flaws. Futhermore another concern for many players is that they WANT to play a popular and successful MMO. As such there is a concern not just for ones own enjoyment, but perhaps that of others, in so far as it provides more people to play with.
your paying for continued service and content, if you want it all now yesterday last week then your really playing the wrong genre of game.

oh i never said stop playing if you don't like it, i didn't even hint at that untill my above remark.

i'm sorry but i don't need a degree in game design to know that you need a working product to build on before you build on it...thats common sence....and something that is taught in more sectors than just gaming....

do you put the doors and windows on a building that is just gonna fall down? no same principle, you wait till the building works as a structure before doing anything.

all bioware have done is create a product in a genre of gaming that relies heavily on patching and updating and alot of support.

also and i say this assuming you didn't read it, they have stated there will be a rather large content patch this month...so patience maybe?

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Zeodic
12.31.2011 , 09:05 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by skyvortex View Post
However with that being said........when i started playing World of Warcraft a month after its launch i was amazed.
The Old Republic doesn't amaze me. Far from it.
I agree with most of your point however this one stood out to me. No SWTOR isnt amazing but its a perspective thing. We have played so many MMO's over the years we act negatively to all new game launches if they dont stack up to our favorite current game. We are incapable of waiting to see what anything becomes anymore because we are all getting more and more trapped into the instant gratification mindset.
Dont forget to always pick your Nodes .....

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skyvortex
12.31.2011 , 09:07 PM | #27
If you bought a PC with everything needed but a PSU and the seller didn't tell you until after you got home and said, "its new...give it time" what would you say.

Corporations get away with whatever the consumer lets them.
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I want to punch you in the face Skyvortex

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Lonewolf
12.31.2011 , 09:08 PM | #28
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Originally Posted by skyvortex
However with that being said........when i started playing World of Warcraft a month after its launch i was amazed.
Plus you were amazed by WoW because no doubt it was your first forays into an actual MMO. The rest of us old skoolers were like you complaining it was just like EQ and lacked alot of its features.....

Oh the irony
Ryukenz - Empire Marauder - Red Eclipse

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Gazzzenn
12.31.2011 , 09:09 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Zeodic View Post
I agree with most of your point however this one stood out to me. No SWTOR isnt amazing but its a perspective thing. We have played so many MMO's over the years we act negatively to all new game launches if they dont stack up to our favorite current game. We are incapable of waiting to see what anything becomes anymore because we are all getting more and more trapped into the instant gratification mindset.
hard to disagree with that, i like the whole instant thing in fps games, but i utterly loathe it from rpg games, having played all types for coming on 20 years from the first warcaft game in the early 90's and fps games of all types and many others i expect the least instant gratification from rpg's, when i get that i stop playing them.

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Kalfear
12.31.2011 , 09:09 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Gidoru View Post
Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.
You know, if your going to pull the "Talk down to others" card

Maybe you might wanna, I dont know, have a CLUE about what your preaching?

Just a suggestion

Im 2005 the MMORPG genre had been around for 14 years already, produced multiple highly successful titles.

This WOW game you think revolutionalize the MMORPG genre, it didnt have a SINGLE NEW OR ORIGINAL CONCEPT IN IT at release!

The only thing primitive here is your understanding of MMORPG history.

Not that I completely disagree with you thread title.

To some stuff, its not a proper or thought out responce
To others however its bang on the money

But none of that changes fact that you are not MMO knowledgeable enough to speak down to anyone else posting, and thus shouldnt do it.

Primative, YIKES!
JUST YIKES!
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it
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