"This game is new" isnt an accept excuse for the games problems

Let me preface this by saying this isnt a post trashing the game or complaining. This is a post directed at those who that throw around ridiculous and unfounded excuses at the slightest criticism(constructive or not) about this game.

The fact that this game is new or just came out is not an excuse for any flaws or missing features.

Would you go see a movie that was only 70% complete and had no ending, just because its 'new' ?
Would you buy a car with no engine? I guess thats fine because its new.

Bioware knew full well the types of features and content modern MMOs have. They seemingly had plenty of time and resources to develop this game. Players thinking about purchasing or continuing to play this game are completely justified in expecting that any missing content or features should have been present at launch. Moreover, most of them are complaining because they WANT to like the game and continuing playing, it is simply difficult to justify paying a monthly fee or playing a game you know is lacking fundamental features.

Futhermore the fact that WoW or any other MMO did not have "X feature" when it was released is not any better an excuse. This game is not competing with WoW of 2005, it is competing with the WoW(and other MMOs) of today. In 2005 MMOs were more primative, and less fleshed out, it was acceptable and common to lack certain features, it is however NOT acceptable today.

Good post but the fanbois will be in here soon insulting you and telling to you go back to wow or something silly like that.

Although I agree completely with you, you will get tons of hate and flame posts.

Start counting

But again, don't blame Bioware. EA is the one to blame.

You miss some fundamental points when making your statement.

Everyone keeps judging an MMO, namely SWTOR, based on WoW's 7yrs of development, without considering its not humanely possible to produce that same content and polish over 4yrs of CREATING an MMO

Creating an MMO takes time and effort to develop world, assets, sounds, graphics, the game engine and much much more.

If you carry on to introduce LFD tools, tons of endgame content and lots more what people have been asking you risk overshooting either your budget or your time frame to release the game, for reference look up the game DAIKATANA.

The reality is that people judge SWTOR on WoW's 10yrs of development, not including the 3-4yrs of development time it had just simply creating the game.

You cannot I REPEAT CANNOT judge a game based on any game that preceded it, unless you provide it with the same time to grow and develop.

Its like a expert pianist criticising an amateur pianist for being no good.

Time and resources is something people miss here, and it is a critical reason why NO you can't compare this game to WoW as it is now.

And no you can't just claim that because X game had Y features before it then the developers should automatically introduce it at the games inception. It takes time to develop and introduce these things, have some patience.

It would also help if you listed the flaws and fundamental features missing.

I posted about this a few days ago. Being knew won't give it immunity from ANYTHING. It's in a market where more complete and fun games are the same price (or cheaper). It could have been new years ago and stood a chance, but it no longer can. Cut it from the start or don't cut it at all.

Considering you listed no flaws I'm going to guess you're one of those people who lists every single feature wow has that swtor doesn't as a flaw?

I think people are starting to understand how good of a game WoW actually is.
This game would have been awesome if it were released in 2003 but alas, thats not what's happening.

Love it or hate it, WoW set a standard, possibly killing the genre in the process.
Don't get me wrong, i'm tired of WoW and have been for several years, i just happen to like MMOs and will play the best available.

What sucks is that i'm a huge Star Wars fan now nobody will touch a star wars IP for a MMO for a very, very long time. They had so much to work with and they blew it.
Even more disheartening is that i convinced people to buy the game.

After 7 years i wont go back to Warcraft. The PvP there has been screwed up for a very long time so there is the paradox. I like MMOs so much that i refuse to go back to the leading game but this is virtually unplayable in a lot of cases.

The people that defend it with their last breath aren't actually arguing for the game, they are trying to convince themselves its not as bad as they actually know it is.

here's a hint into game design on this scale.

get the game to work first then start adding features.

features can be added at will, however should bioware wait to add such features means the game is not gonna go live.

mmo's should not be compared to other games they are living breathing games that need alot of support to work.

i could point out many a film that really shouldn't have been released if you like, badly edited piss poor scene continuity amoung other things, wooden actors that should have stayed in their previous jobs, cgi that would make a kid with crayola think he's awesome as he did a better job at the tender age of 4, crap scripts that should have been binned the moment they were read and burned just to be sure they never grace a cinema screen.

so the game isn't fully ironed out yet some problems and some issues are still present in the game big deal the fact is it has not been tested on this scale yet and even with all the beta testing it went through bugs still slip through the cracks as now were starting to really push the games boundaries to the point of breaking.

this is a new game and while your right it is not an excuse it is a valid reason to have patience, they can't release bug fixes for a shoddy film they can release bug fixes for a game that is the core difference you forgot.

and it's not being batted about as if to say it's an excuse, if you are so skilled that you can debug this games code for every viable computer build and make it bug free and i mean completly bug free then apply for a job with bioware and stop assuming it's an easy thing to do.

Ability delay due to animations.
Thats all i need, it's a gamebreaker.