OK back on topic I'd like to address two things.

 

1. Repairing the Malevolence.

 

If the damage is too great for onboard repair droids to fix the bridge, there is no need to ship the Malevolence all the way to Geonosis. Between Ziro, Baktoid and Imperial Intelligence I am sure that they can acquire the necessary parts and have them shipped to Ord Mantell in good time. And if need be send some techs to have them fitted.

 

Its not going to be an issue, and once the Malevolence is up and running it can defend Ord Mantell alone. Freeing up the remaining fleet to protect Geonosis and be ready to move against the Bothans if diplomacy proves unsuccessful.

While I'm sure this could happen, it would still take time, time that the PH doesn't have. Garm and Palleon know that the Malevolence is crippled, and know that it is more than capable of destroying their fleet if not stopped. They would act immediately to either destroy it, or, even more likely, to take it over.

Tholme, being the genius he is, would likely concoct the plan to take over the Malevolence. If taken, it could easily destroy the remaining PH fleet, and and add onto the rest of the GA fleet, making the fleet unstoppable.

And, considering Grevious would be on the ground at this point, nothing is really going to stop him. Sure, Carbonite War Droids are strong, but Tholme could likely evade those, or wreck them with TK. Hell, if Jaina joins him, together they would make short work of the guards.

And I think Ziro is an interesting Hutt to use. Mainly because he doesn't bring anything to the table that other Hutts don't have, except his ability to be assassinated by gunshot. And considering Tholmes assassin background, it could easily be arranged to hire someone to remove the Hutt.

2. Infiltrating the Separatist Base, I don't think the Alliance has the capabilities to pull this off effectively, here's why.

 

Firstly, Alliance SpecForce are not designed for this, they are elite troops, but they are not infiltrators, they are front lines troops. They have no specialized means of avoiding detection, and no experience in doing so, whatsoever.

While this is true, they would act as a perfect distraction for the 501st, which is made up of specialists. Some are undoubtedly infiltrators.

Lumiya will see it coming. Lumiya is a master strategist and herself a highly qualified Imperial agent. She will consider every angle, and she will be prepared for every eventuality. And she will soon gain knowledge of Tholme and Jaina's existence. Especially if she manages to gain Bothan support, and as the Alliance is slowly inflitrated by informants and spies they may even get word of the plan itself, and so she'll put various countermeasures in place.

Imperial agents, sadly, loses out to Anzati. Everyday. All day.

She might consider all the angles, but Tholme is more than a match for her. He was trained by the master of masters; the assassin of assassins, and has fought and killed more Anzati than likely anyone in galactic history (they rarely fight, and almost never lose). And do you not think Tholme will realize that the Bothans are the weak link? That also ties into taking over the Malevolence- take it down, and the Bothans, as a people, survive. And they stay with the Alliance.

And I believe Tholme is more than capable of staying in the shadows. Imperial Intel has never found him, and Grievous, Savage, or Ziro never had any contact with him. He is a spymater- not an easy person to be found. Hell he hid from Imperial Intelligence during the Purge, and was never found or killed. He died of old age.

Indeed she is well versed in setting lethal traps, and with the help of Imperial Intelligence security will be state of the art, it won't be enough for Jaina to simply shut down a few cameras. They'll have to evade motion detectors, laser alarm systems, hidden pressure plates, surveillance drones, get through ray shields, blast doors, pit fall traps etc.

 

And of course, every possible target will be well guarded and littered with traps waiting to be sprung.

 

It will be Lumiya's intellect against there's, and in my opinion she comes out on top. At the very least if they manage to get to Lumiya and confront her she will already know they are coming and be well prepared for a showdown.

All of these things are going to have to come into the system. All of these things can be removed form the equation once the Malevolence is taken over, and GA space superiority is secured. Hell, just leave the Malevolence, and send the fleet to Geonosis or Bastion, neutralizing the threat of any supplies/agents coming in.

And IIRC Lumiya's saving grace was her lightwhip- and I'm sure Jaina/Tholme know how to fight against one.

I can get the exact quote if you want it, but Bulq says that he sensed Tholme faintly in the Force.

I would appreciate it

I think I know what quote your referencing, but I can't recall where it's from, and thus, can't find it.

I would appreciate it

 

I think I know what quote your referencing, but I can't recall where it's from, and thus, can't find it.

"I felt something...faintly... in the Force. I should have known it was you, Tholme."

I can understand the argument that his proximity to Tholme aided his ability to detect him, but I would argue that a considerably more powerful and advanced Force user would be able to sense him.

"I felt something...faintly... in the Force. I should have known it was you, Tholme."

 

I can understand the argument that his proximity to Tholme aided his ability to detect him, but I would argue that a considerably more powerful and advanced Force user would be able to sense him.

Do you have the source that's from? Just for my sanity?! I can't find it in my collection?!?!

And I would agree with the proximity argument, although yours does make sense. But does Lumiya have any feats of Force Sense? Because all this proves is that Bulq was quite adapt at using Force Sense, which would make sense, as he was also capable of hiding his own presence (Rancisis, anyone?).

Do you have the source that's from? Just for my sanity?! I can't find it in my collection?!?!

 

And I would agree with the proximity argument, although yours does make sense. But does Lumiya have any feats of Force Sense? Because all this proves is that Bulq was quite adapt at using Force Sense, which would make sense, as he was also capable of hiding his own presence (Rancisis, anyone?).

Trackdown, I think.

I think Lumiya's mastery of mental manipulation and various other abilities would indicate great skill in the Sense category. So it is possible she could sense him.

Trackdown, I think.

 

I think Lumiya's mastery of mental manipulation and various other abilities would indicate great skill in the Sense category. So it is possible she could sense him.

Except it's easier to sense people you have ties to...

Except it's easier to sense people you have ties to...

Not in every case.

While I'm sure this could happen, it would still take time, time that the PH doesn't have. Garm and Palleon know that the Malevolence is crippled, and know that it is more than capable of destroying their fleet if not stopped. They would act immediately to either destroy it, or, even more likely, to take it over.

 

Tholme, being the genius he is, would likely concoct the plan to take over the Malevolence. If taken, it could easily destroy the remaining PH fleet, and and add onto the rest of the GA fleet, making the fleet unstoppable.

 

And, considering Grevious would be on the ground at this point, nothing is really going to stop him. Sure, Carbonite War Droids are strong, but Tholme could likely evade those, or wreck them with TK. Hell, if Jaina joins him, together they would make short work of the guards.

 

And I think Ziro is an interesting Hutt to use. Mainly because he doesn't bring anything to the table that other Hutts don't have, except his ability to be assassinated by gunshot. And considering Tholmes assassin background, it could easily be arranged to hire someone to remove the Hutt.

 

 

 

While this is true, they would act as a perfect distraction for the 501st, which is made up of specialists. Some are undoubtedly infiltrators.

 

 

 

Imperial agents, sadly, loses out to Anzati. Everyday. All day.

 

She might consider all the angles, but Tholme is more than a match for her. He was trained by the master of masters; the assassin of assassins, and has fought and killed more Anzati than likely anyone in galactic history (they rarely fight, and almost never lose). And do you not think Tholme will realize that the Bothans are the weak link? That also ties into taking over the Malevolence- take it down, and the Bothans, as a people, survive. And they stay with the Alliance.

 

And I believe Tholme is more than capable of staying in the shadows. Imperial Intel has never found him, and Grievous, Savage, or Ziro never had any contact with him. He is a spymater- not an easy person to be found. Hell he hid from Imperial Intelligence during the Purge, and was never found or killed. He died of old age.

 

 

 

All of these things are going to have to come into the system. All of these things can be removed form the equation once the Malevolence is taken over, and GA space superiority is secured. Hell, just leave the Malevolence, and send the fleet to Geonosis or Bastion, neutralizing the threat of any supplies/agents coming in.

 

And IIRC Lumiya's saving grace was her lightwhip- and I'm sure Jaina/Tholme know how to fight against one.

Though this could easily be avoided if the Malevolence is moved to a secret location.

Ziro is just the sort of Hutt Lumiya needs, powerful and influential but not enough to prove a threat to her. If the Alliance wants Ziro dead, Tholme will have to come personally, a two-bit assassin will hardly do. Noting that Ziro could likely aquire some IG-86 droids to protect him, considered some of the deadliest droids in the galaxy.

2. 501st Infiltrators? First I've heard of them.

3. Lumiya is not just any old Imperial agent, I don't see any evidence that suggests he is better than her. And its not the threat of violence that will sway the Bothans, its the promise of power and security, its doing what they always do.

4. Fair enough, however Tholme is a member of the Alliance here, he can't exactly run off and hide.

5. Space superiority? With what fleet? A couple of Dreadnaughts and a squad of Phantoms? They won't even make it to allied territory, Lumiya will dispatch Storm Commandos to eliminate them in short order.

Not that such a piece meal force could prevent a tech out fleet of smugglers and pirates from landing planet side. Heck a pirate ambush would be all they would need to take out that handful of, may I add, damaged cruisers.

And please do send the fleet to Bastion, its defenses are ready and waiting to welcome unexpected guests.

6. Lumiya's lightwhip, though deadly, would be the least of their worries. They'd have to contend with Savage, War Droids, Commando droids, grapple droids, B2s (heck throw in a gunship!) and storm commandos as well.

Lumiya will have a small army ready and waiting to receive them.

"I felt something...faintly... in the Force. I should have known it was you, Tholme."

 

I can understand the argument that his proximity to Tholme aided his ability to detect him, but I would argue that a considerably more powerful and advanced Force user would be able to sense him.

I don't think we should forget Jaina either, I'd assume her Force cloaking capabilities are not as profound as his. And if they decide to send in a squad of troops for back up...

Well, she was able to sneak up on Caedus, even though he knew she had infiltrated his ship (I think). So they are likely to be quite profound.

Well, she was able to sneak up on Caedus, even though he knew she had infiltrated his ship (I think). So they are likely to be quite profound.

Well, she was able to sneak up on Caedus, even though he knew she had infiltrated his ship (I think). So they are likely to be quite profound.

I thought it was because Luke was distracting him and he didnt really consider her a threat? Could be mistaken.

Though again Lumiya isnt foriegn to escaping traps or the ways of Assassins by their her very Nature.

I thought it was because Luke was distracting him and he didnt really consider her a threat? Could be mistaken.

 

Though again Lumiya isnt foriegn to escaping traps or the ways of Assassins by their her very Nature.

Not sure. I thought he was only helping her when they started their duel.

Not sure. I thought he was only helping her when they started their duel.

It depends apparently they fought twice, once with Luke messing around and once without.

Oh and btw Jaina needs some respect.

It depends apparently they fought twice, once with Luke messing around and once without.

 

Oh and btw Jaina needs some respect.

Respect the Sword!

 

Though this could easily be avoided if the Malevolence is moved to a secret location.

 

Ziro is just the sort of Hutt Lumiya needs, powerful and influential but not enough to prove a threat to her. If the Alliance wants Ziro dead, Tholme will have to come personally, a two-bit assassin will hardly do. Noting that Ziro could likely aquire some IG-86 droids to protect him, considered some of the deadliest droids in the galaxy.

 

2. 501st Infiltrators? First I've heard of them.

 

3. Lumiya is not just any old Imperial agent, I don't see any evidence that suggests he is better than her. And its not the threat of violence that will sway the Bothans, its the promise of power and security, its doing what they always do.

 

4. Fair enough, however Tholme is a member of the Alliance here, he can't exactly run off and hide.

 

5. Space superiority? With what fleet? A couple of Dreadnaughts and a squad of Phantoms? They won't even make it to allied territory, Lumiya will dispatch Storm Commandos to eliminate them in short order.

 

Not that such a piece meal force could prevent a tech out fleet of smugglers and pirates from landing planet side. Heck a pirate ambush would be all they would need to take out that handful of, may I add, damaged cruisers.

 

And please do send the fleet to Bastion, its defenses are ready and waiting to welcome unexpected guests.

 

6. Lumiya's lightwhip, though deadly, would be the least of their worries. They'd have to contend with Savage, War Droids, Commando droids, grapple droids, B2s (heck throw in a gunship!) and storm commandos as well.

 

Lumiya will have a small army ready and waiting to receive them.

Who's going to be able to move a ship that big to a secret location? It will take time to find someone to move it, time to move it, time to do whatever repairs they're going to do, and time to bring it back or ship it out.

Getting protection will take time, especially specific protection. Even some of these other droids you list it will take time to get them, time that the GA could very well not give the PH, or the PH leadership might not even think of.

Will the Bothans though work with people who have opposed their security in the past? Greivous and the CIS attacked their homeworld during the Clone Wars, and the PH is practically made up of a whole lot of visual reminders of that war.

The GA can work in space still. It will take time, and probably some luck to find where it has gone. And what's keeping it from moving around? Dedicating more Storm Commandoes only moves them from the ground to a space chase trying to deal with the GA's fleet.

Nothing is stopping them from moving at a wide arc around the base, equipped with sensor jammers.

Wide arc, lengthening travel time. Sensor jammers, from where? Pirates? And it wouldn't stop them from getting visuals on them. Jammers would also take time to get there, postponing any attack and giving the GA time to either fortify Mannett Point or attempt a siege on the PH HQ.

Just gonna note something here....Stormtroopers carried more than just E-11s, everyone knows right? It was their standard, but they also carried light repeaters, like the T-21 and heavy blaster rifles like the DLT-19 heavy blaster.

The former of which is devastating to infantry forces and can punch through even light armored vehicles. The latter of which makes a deadly sniping weapon to send powerful bolts at large or heavily armored targets.

The A280 Blaster Rifle is also most likely in use by the SpecForce here and that is noted as being one of the best armor piercing blasters in the galaxy.

If the Stormtroopers are allowed, then they also have some powerful E-web heavy repeaters, placing these strategically, yeah....they'll do some pretty heavy damage as it can penetrate the armor through ground vehicles, airspeeders and small starships.

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Eh probably something moot in the grand scheme of it all, but I just wanted to post something in relation to weaponry that the GA could have.

Just gonna note something here....Stormtroopers carried more than just E-11s, everyone knows right? It was their standard, but they also carried light repeaters, like the T-21 and heavy blaster rifles like the DLT-19 heavy blaster.

 

The former of which is devastating to infantry forces and can punch through even light armored vehicles. The latter of which makes a deadly sniping weapon to send powerful bolts at large or heavily armored targets.

 

The A280 Blaster Rifle is also most likely in use by the SpecForce here and that is noted as being one of the best armor piercing blasters in the galaxy.

 

If the Stormtroopers are allowed, then they also have some powerful E-web heavy repeaters, placing these strategically, yeah....they'll do some pretty heavy damage as it can penetrate the armor through ground vehicles, airspeeders and small starships.

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Eh probably something moot in the grand scheme of it all, but I just wanted to post something in relation to weaponry that the GA could have.

I think those weapons would be allowed.

Who's going to be able to move a ship that big to a secret location? It will take time to find someone to move it, time to move it, time to do whatever repairs they're going to do, and time to bring it back or ship it out.

 

Getting protection will take time, especially specific protection. Even some of these other droids you list it will take time to get them, time that the GA could very well not give the PH, or the PH leadership might not even think of.

 

Will the Bothans though work with people who have opposed their security in the past? Greivous and the CIS attacked their homeworld during the Clone Wars, and the PH is practically made up of a whole lot of visual reminders of that war.

 

The GA can work in space still. It will take time, and probably some luck to find where it has gone. And what's keeping it from moving around? Dedicating more Storm Commandoes only moves them from the ground to a space chase trying to deal with the GA's fleet.

The same amount of time it will take to organise any kind of assassination attempt.

On the contrary, the Bothans were neutral during the Clone Wars and their homeworld never came under attack. They were also officially members of the Empire and supplied them with information throughout the Galactic Civil War.

Imperial Intelligence doesn't rely on luck, and Lumiya has 40 Storm Commandos at her disposal, that's a potential 10 squads i.e. 10 different missions that can be performed simultaneously, if anything she will have an excess.

Wide arc, lengthening travel time. Sensor jammers, from where? Pirates? And it wouldn't stop them from getting visuals on them. Jammers would also take time to get there, postponing any attack and giving the GA time to either fortify Mannett Point or attempt a siege on the PH HQ.

Sensor jammers could be supplied by Imperial Intelligence if need be.

This may give the Alliance time to capture Mannett Point but its not strategically important enough for them to be able to afford to heavily fortify it, and in that time period the Hegemony can hold the line at the center of the island.

Assuming that they do captue it, there are ways the Hegemony can take it by force, which I will expand on it time.

Well I suppose that's true.

 

The same amount of time it will take to organise any kind of assassination attempt.

 

On the contrary, the Bothans were neutral during the Clone Wars and their homeworld never came under attack. They were also officially members of the Empire and supplied them with information throughout the Galactic Civil War.

 

Imperial Intelligence doesn't rely on luck, and Lumiya has 40 Storm Commandos at her disposal, that's a potential 10 squads i.e. 10 different missions that can be performed simultaneously, if anything she will have an excess.

So then this never happened?

If forty is excess then the 500 SpecOps troops that the GA has is overkill, since in essence they fill the same roles. But sending them off to find the GA fleet limits the number that can be used on the ground.

By an hour at best, affordable.

 

Sensor jammers could be supplied by Imperial Intelligence if need be.

 

This may give the Alliance time to capture Mannett Point but its not strategically important enough for them to be able to afford to heavily fortify it, and in that time period the Hegemony can hold the line at the center of the island.

 

Assuming that they do captue it, there are ways the Hegemony can take it by force, which I will expand on it time.

Imperial Intelligence from Bastion to Ord Mantell still equals time.

The center of the Island allows for easy flanking. The TXs can hit from the rear and pull out quickly--fastest vehicle in play. The SpecOps and Stormtroopers can hit them from the high ground. The AT-TEs can use their Mass drivers from a distance. As well looking as the strategies laid out for the PH require them to be in formation, and on a relatively small island that will require them to be in close proximity. Close proximity means that artillery will be much more effective, as well as grenades and other weapons with such capabilities.

So then this never happened?

 

If forty is excess then the 500 SpecOps troops that the GA has is overkill, since in essence they fill the same roles. But sending them off to find the GA fleet limits the number that can be used on the ground.

They don't, they really really don't. Lets be clear hear, the Alliance's SpecForce troops are front line infantry, they are the backbone of the Alliance Military, they are good at shooting, very good at shooting. But they are not infiltrators, they do not possess any of the skills that a Storm Commando does and are fundamentally different in purpose.

That is why the Alliance has 460 more.

Anyway as I say, Lumiya does not need 40 Storm Commandos on the ground to achieve her aims. Storm Commandos generally operated effectively in squads of 3 to 6. 40 is more than enough to achieve all her objectives.