In that case he could be said to be simply diminishing his presence in the Force. Even then it took a Force Bond to find him. Also add to that he has the ability to completely cut himself entirely from the Force--to an extant that even those he had Force Bonds with believed him to have died.

 

 

After thought: Even then Bulq had been a good friend of Tholme for years beforehand, and familiarity makes things a whole lot easier.

Sora Bulq did find him, though. That's when they had their fight and Tholme escaped.

Besides, I'm just saying that a considerably more powerful Force user like Lumiya should be able to detect him, at least partially.

Sora Bulq did find him, though. That's when they had their fight and Tholme escaped.

 

Besides, I'm just saying that a considerably more powerful Force user like Lumiya should be able to detect him, at least partially.

Bulq only found him because he was in a main room making a call to Aayla. After that Tholme spent a little over five months doing what he pleased. And if he did cut himself off completely from the Force there would be no way for Lumiya to even sense him. Then it's just a matter of doing his own thing. Let's say she sense something weird in the Force she doesn't know Tholme is involved, and if she finds him he either escapes or fakes his death. He's done both more than enough times to prove its possible--and once was in a very similar location to the PH's base.

It does not seem like an idea that any of the leaders in the PH would think of. Even then blowing the volcano would only be an option for the GA if it appeared that everyone was doomed any ways. Infiltrating and killing the leadership and causing general mayhem would be more than an option though.

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.

Setting off the volcano they are sitting under would not occur to evil, diabolical masterminds? Uh-huh.

 

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

 

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

 

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

 

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.

But...but...mass destruction is so much fun.

After thought: Nothing is stopping the GA from setting off bombs inside the volcano though, just not with the intent of making it erupt. Landing zones, catwalks, doorways all viable targets.

Setting off the volcano they are sitting under would not occur to evil, diabolical masterminds? Uh-huh.

 

Anyway, lets face it, this probably isn't even allowed thanks to the following rule:

 

#74 Neither orbital bombardment or bombing runs are permitted under any circumstances in the course of the Kaggath, any faction caught engaging in such practices will be executed immediately by the Supreme Arbiter and their faction will be liquidated to pay reparations

 

Considering the purpose of this rule is to prevent the destruction of the battleground.

 

I advise we get back to more conventional tactics.

The point of that rule is to stop a Space win being an auto win, but agreed, Let's let Aurbere decide and end this.

I'm going to pop in real quick and say that no volcanoes will be going off during this battle.

What about during the finale?

What about during the finale?

Bel Iblis has a party of dancing ewoks booked in case of a win.

"The B2 droid was significantly more advanced than the B1 and proved a much more equal foe for Clone troopers on the battlefield."

"When armies of B2s were deployed en masse, the Republic was hard-pressed to hold it's own."

"Due to being far less numerous, the B2 could not apply numbers well against the Republic as the CIS commanders preferred using them as support for the far weaker B1."

"The B2 truly proved itself when deployed vastly against a singular target, almost nothing could halt an advance of these droids when deployed in the hundreds."

"The CIS became considerably more difficult to defeat as the outer rim sieges came to a close, with B1 factories across the galaxy being shut down and captured by the Grand Army, the B2 became the focus of what mass production remained in the separatist forces. Sieges went from weeks to months, Felucia being a shining example."

B2s are bad *** and even the 501st would have difficulty fighting 1:2.5 against them.

OK back on topic I'd like to address two things.

1. Repairing the Malevolence.

If the damage is too great for onboard repair droids to fix the bridge, there is no need to ship the Malevolence all the way to Geonosis. Between Ziro, Baktoid and Imperial Intelligence I am sure that they can acquire the necessary parts and have them shipped to Ord Mantell in good time. And if need be send some techs to have them fitted.

Its not going to be an issue, and once the Malevolence is up and running it can defend Ord Mantell alone. Freeing up the remaining fleet to protect Geonosis and be ready to move against the Bothans if diplomacy proves unsuccessful.

2. Infiltrating the Separatist Base, I don't think the Alliance has the capabilities to pull this off effectively, here's why.

Firstly, Alliance SpecForce are not designed for this, they are elite troops, but they are not infiltrators, they are front lines troops. They have no specialized means of avoiding detection, and no experience in doing so, whatsoever.

Lumiya will see it coming. Lumiya is a master strategist and herself a highly qualified Imperial agent. She will consider every angle, and she will be prepared for every eventuality. And she will soon gain knowledge of Tholme and Jaina's existence. Especially if she manages to gain Bothan support, and as the Alliance is slowly inflitrated by informants and spies they may even get word of the plan itself, and so she'll put various countermeasures in place.

Indeed she is well versed in setting lethal traps, and with the help of Imperial Intelligence security will be state of the art, it won't be enough for Jaina to simply shut down a few cameras. They'll have to evade motion detectors, laser alarm systems, hidden pressure plates, surveillance drones, get through ray shields, blast doors, pit fall traps etc.

And of course, every possible target will be well guarded and littered with traps waiting to be sprung.

It will be Lumiya's intellect against there's, and in my opinion she comes out on top. At the very least if they manage to get to Lumiya and confront her she will already know they are coming and be well prepared for a showdown.

Bulq only found him because he was in a main room making a call to Aayla. After that Tholme spent a little over five months doing what he pleased. And if he did cut himself off completely from the Force there would be no way for Lumiya to even sense him. Then it's just a matter of doing his own thing. Let's say she sense something weird in the Force she doesn't know Tholme is involved, and if she finds him he either escapes or fakes his death. He's done both more than enough times to prove its possible--and once was in a very similar location to the PH's base.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Tholme is going to be able to 'cut himself off from the Force' in this situation. IIRC, that was something he used as a last resort. If he could just do it anytime he pleased, Quinlan Vos would have never found him and Sora Bulq would have never sensed him. It's obvious that doing something like that is ver circumstantial.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Tholme is going to be able to 'cut himself off from the Force' in this situation. IIRC, that was something he used as a last resort. If he could just do it anytime he pleased, Quinlan Vos would have never found him and Sora Bulq would have never sensed him. It's obvious that doing something like that is ver circumstantial.

But it's still an ability he has and uses. And both Vos finding him and Bulq are easily explained. Vos had a Force Bond and Bulq had been in the room prior and Tholme was making a call to Aayla.

As well Canino brought up earlier that Tholme also has Force Cloak.

But it's still an ability he has and uses. And both Vos finding him and Bulq are easily explained. Vos had a Force Bond and Bulq had been in the room prior and Tholme was making a call to Aayla.

 

As well Canino brought up earlier that Tholme also has Force Cloak.

Except we have seen people shut themselves off from individuals who would (logically) be Force Bonded to them.

Except we have seen people shut themselves off from individuals who would (logically) be Force Bonded to them.

And in Tholme's case that would be cutting himself off from the Force--that is of course, as you previously said, was a last resort.

And in Tholme's case that would be cutting himself off from the Force--that is of course, as you previously said, was a last resort.

And not something I see happening here.

And not something I see happening here.

Yet if Lumiya did happen to find him, his options are to fake his death--something he has done quite a few times--or escape--something else he is a mater of. Of course that is assuming that she finds him alone, or that he is not acting as a decoy for some bigger plan. He is a mastermind after all.

"The B2 droid was significantly more advanced than the B1 and proved a much more equal foe for Clone troopers on the battlefield."

 

"When armies of B2s were deployed en masse, the Republic was hard-pressed to hold it's own."

 

"Due to being far less numerous, the B2 could not apply numbers well against the Republic as the CIS commanders preferred using them as support for the far weaker B1."

 

"The B2 truly proved itself when deployed vastly against a singular target, almost nothing could halt an advance of these droids when deployed in the hundreds."

 

"The CIS became considerably more difficult to defeat as the outer rim sieges came to a close, with B1 factories across the galaxy being shut down and captured by the Grand Army, the B2 became the focus of what mass production remained in the separatist forces. Sieges went from weeks to months, Felucia being a shining example."

 

B2s are bad *** and even the 501st would have difficulty fighting 1:2.5 against them.

B2s may be more advanced but they still aren't that smart. LOS'ing is a factor that the GA can utilize to counter them. Stormtroopers trained against B3s, which are even more advanced than B2s.

And the ratio is actually closer to 1:2 due to B2s being used in ill fated boarding parties. As well the light vehicles in GA force outnumber those in the PH by a 2:1 ratio, roughly, and they have speed on their side as well. Compound that with a 12.5:1 ratio in elite ground forces and dealing with B2s is a much simpler matter.

Bel Iblis is a commander used to dealing with numbers being against him and the terrain around Fort Garnik can play to his favor considering that it would seem that the PH intends to move almost its entire force to Mannett Point from its base. Of course such a move would require them to pass in close proximity to the base and in doing so tip off the GA on where they are heading. Using the speed of the TXs and the range of the AT-TEs mass drivers can hit the PH while it unloads it vehicles and troops.

The PACs don't stand a chance against any of the GAs light vehicles. They are slow and lack armor and defensive systems. Having a max speed of 50 km/h makes them roughly half as fast as an AT-ST, which can only reach a speed that is less than half of the TXs which can reach a speed of nearly 200 km/h.

They managed to repair the hyperdrive, why not other internal systems?

 

I'd like to see some actual sources for these claims.

LE-series repair droid: one of the best ever made, not used by the CIS.

Goose droid:nothing special, and again, not used by the CIS.

MK-series maintenance droid: although a techno Union droid, it doesn't have any documented use with the Techno Union or the CIS. All use is with the Empire or Rebellion.

KDY-4 tech droid: Another good droid, but was only ever used by KDY during the Imperial Reign.

There are others, but nothing that can repair a bridge without a mechanic and other tech/droids/a space station.The best thing you can have, unless you can find a source, are mouse droids, which don't do ship/hull damage repair.

LE-series repair droid: one of the best ever made, not used by the CIS.

 

Goose droid:nothing special, and again, not used by the CIS.

 

MK-series maintenance droid: although a techno Union droid, it doesn't have any documented use with the Techno Union or the CIS. All use is with the Empire or Rebellion.

 

KDY-4 tech droid: Another good droid, but was only ever used by KDY during the Imperial Reign.

 

There are others, but nothing that can repair a bridge without a mechanic and other tech/droids/a space station.The best thing you can have, unless you can find a source, are mouse droids, which don't do ship/hull damage repair.

Well actually mouse droids can pretty much do anything, limited only by the owner. Of course, you can only have them 1 one thing, so it was best to link them up in a train in order to have multiple skills in place.

But yeah, they can do security, sanitation, repair, communications, among other things. Although repairing a ship...that might take awhile.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Tholme is going to be able to 'cut himself off from the Force' in this situation. IIRC, that was something he used as a last resort. If he could just do it anytime he pleased, Quinlan Vos would have never found him and Sora Bulq would have never sensed him. It's obvious that doing something like that is ver circumstantial.

Except he later faked his death in front of Bulq, and then arose and fought him, all without Bulq ever realizing.

And when did Bulq ever sense Tholme?

And do I really need to say that Anzanti>Imperial Agent everyday day of the week?

Bel Iblis is a commander used to dealing with numbers being against him and the terrain around Fort Garnik can play to his favor considering that it would seem that the PH intends to move almost its entire force to Mannett Point from its base. Of course such a move would require them to pass in close proximity to the base and in doing so tip off the GA on where they are heading.

LE-series repair droid: one of the best ever made, not used by the CIS.

 

Goose droid:nothing special, and again, not used by the CIS.

 

MK-series maintenance droid: although a techno Union droid, it doesn't have any documented use with the Techno Union or the CIS. All use is with the Empire or Rebellion.

 

KDY-4 tech droid: Another good droid, but was only ever used by KDY during the Imperial Reign.

 

There are others, but nothing that can repair a bridge without a mechanic and other tech/droids/a space station.The best thing you can have, unless you can find a source, are mouse droids, which don't do ship/hull damage repair.

Except he later faked his death in front of Bulq, and then arose and fought him, all without Bulq ever realizing.

 

And when did Bulq ever sense Tholme?

 

And do I really need to say that Anzanti>Imperial Agent everyday day of the week?

I can get the exact quote if you want it, but Bulq says that he sensed Tholme faintly in the Force.