Aurbere Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 I don't he actually fell to the Dark Side, he just comes very close with his outburst of Dark powers and his switch in personality, when he 'dies', I think he controls his passion and finds clarity. You think so? I always felt he was on the brink. The Emperor had pretty much ravaged his mind and he planned on genocide. He seemed pretty close. If his outburst of Dark energies didn't signify his fall, then I think he would have fallen soon anyway if he didn't lose. He did realize what he was doing was wrong, I think, and as you said, found clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 I wouldn't say he fell to the darkside (although I could be wrong). People don't turn just like that. I think it is more realistic to say that he temporarily relied on darkside techniques. But if we're really gonna get into this then we ought to start a new thread concerning exactly what happened in the foundry battle. Regardless, it seems that the writers did a poor job here. He probably didn't fall immediately, but he would have if he won. These powers corrupt, and he had already been tainted by the Emperor. Had he won the battle, his fall would be only a matter of time. But he didn't win and I think he realized what he had done and, if he's still alive, is reflecting on his life. If we see him again, he may be the old Jedi Revan we all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 He probably didn't fall immediately, but he would have if he won. These powers corrupt, and he had already been tainted by the Emperor. Had he won the battle, his fall would be only a matter of time. But he didn't win and I think he realized what he had done and, if he's still alive, is reflecting on his life. If we see him again, he may be the old Jedi Revan we all know. I sure hope you're right. That just wasn't a suiting death (although I think the best fate for him would've been getting killed by the Emperor at the end of the novel - so epic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 I sure hope you're right. That just wasn't a suiting death (although I think the best fate for him would've been getting killed by the Emperor at the end of the novel - so epic). I fully agree. Revan's a great character, but he got the short end of the stick so to speak. He really should have died at the hands of the Emperor. It would have been a fitting end for such a character. Who else to kill him than the most powerful being in the galaxy? At least it wasn't as bad as the death of Meetra Surik. The only guy to get a good death in the novel was T3. Though I wish it wasn't so. If you haven't already, play through the Maelstrom Prison FP. It connects to the Foundry so well. Plus you get to talk to Revan. The nostalgia is strong in Taral V, Maelstrom Prison and the Foundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaktrooper Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I fully agree. Revan's a great character, but he got the short end of the stick so to speak. He really should have died at the hands of the Emperor. It would have been a fitting end for such a character. Who else to kill him than the most powerful being in the galaxy? At least it wasn't as bad as the death of Meetra Surik. The only guy to get a good death in the novel was T3. Though I wish it wasn't so. If you haven't already, play through the Maelstrom Prison FP. It connects to the Foundry so well. Plus you get to talk to Revan. The nostalgia is strong in Taral V, Maelstrom Prison and the Foundry. Is Aurbere so anti Revan now? He seems to have some respect for him saying that he should have had a better death (Well maybe his death, he probably is still alive.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airmo Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 At least it wasn't as bad as the death of Meetra Surik. The only guy to get a good death in the novel was T3. Though I wish it wasn't so. I have to disagree here. Meetra may have gotten an..undignified death but at least she died herself and she even went all Obi-wan and helped Revan and the republic after her death. Revan got mind screwed for hundreds of years and only got out of it not being dead or broken by the Emperor because of Meetra's help, just so he can be turned crazy, attempt to commit genocide, and then be killed by his captives. I think his death is way worse. =/ I agree about T3's death though..I really didn't see it coming. I mean..did the Emperor really need to vaporize him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I have to disagree here. Meetra may have gotten an..undignified death but at least she died herself and she even went all Obi-wan and helped Revan and the republic after her death. Revan got mind screwed for hundreds of years and only got out of it not being dead or broken by the Emperor because of Meetra's help, just so he can be turned crazy, attempt to commit genocide, and then be killed by his captives. I think his death is way worse. =/ It's not about how she died, rather why she died mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airmo Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Good thing you got to it first. I had to re-read that post a couple times. As to Revan mastering any Lightsaber forms. Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim, we can only assume that he did not. We know that we was skilled with a lightsaber, but we can't say that he mastered any of the forms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s You know what, screw this, you just won the thread with that link, good form sir, good form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airmo Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What? Say "what?" again!! SAY "What?" AGAIN!! ..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Say "what?" again!! SAY "What?" AGAIN!! ..lol What? Yeah I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s LOL!!! Congratz. That was the best laugh I've had in a while. But what's really funny about it is that it actually makes logical since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meepbot Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsXdTuBaBg&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s Brilliant, just brilliant. I think that ends this debate. Revan is an unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer_ Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Brilliant, just brilliant. I think that ends this debate. Revan is an unknown. I agree. And for as much information as possible, it should stay that way. On a related note my head-canon for Revan has always been thus: Revan mastered both sides of the Force as a result of ascending to mastery first as Darth Revan, then as amnesiac Revan. However, when he regained his memories (and mastery), it came at a terrible cost. Revan's duality has resulted in serious mental instability (which we see in SWTOR's flashpoints) which gives him dark side leanings, and a lack of personal control. He may be a master of the techniques, but he has a lot of difficulty applying it in any meaningful way. As for his tactical abilties, he was never anywhere near Thrawn's level, but was very good at a few things that make him look way better than he really was. He was a good leader, who delegated relevant responsibilities to those who could best handle the. He was ruthless, sacrificing worlds to take whole sectors. And finally, he played the long game. He had a goal, and he pushed towards it. G0-T0 noted that Revan consistently fought the Republic while preserving its infrastructure. If he wins, he controls a mighty Republic backed up by the Star Forge. If he loses, the Republic is now united, wary of invasion, and still has a military industrial complex intact. As for using both sides of the Force at the same time, I do agree with the fact that it shouldn't be possible (considering they both require opposite mental states), and that it is much more likely that he achieved oneness with the Force, expressing it in its purest form. The description was pretty similar to Jacen's experience. I think the problem most people have is with the "twin rivers" description, but that could have simply been a description applied by fallible witnesses who didn't understand what they were seeing. A unified Force expression could in fact feel that way to someone trained to think of it that way. But that's the great thing about head-canon. H-canon is always going to be above G-canon from a personal perspective, and Revan just happens to be a lot more moldable than the average Star Wars character. Edited November 21, 2012 by spencer_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerJBD Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Good thing you got to it first. I had to re-read that post a couple times. As to Revan mastering any Lightsaber forms. Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim, we can only assume that he did not. We know that we was skilled with a lightsaber, but we can't say that he mastered any of the forms. See, here is my problem. Why can we only assume he didn't master a lightsaber form? We have no information on this either way. Given his skill as a duelist, it is perfectly legitimate to assume he did. Either assumption is completely valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 See, here is my problem. Why can we only assume he didn't master a lightsaber form? We have no information on this either way. Given his skill as a duelist, it is perfectly legitimate to assume he did. Either assumption is completely valid. Yup. That's what I've been saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaktrooper Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Please let this debate be over, and let Aurbere return to making his wonderful in-depth look at threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anairien Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 everything about this thread is bad and aurbere should be sanctioned for obvious baiting tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 everything about this thread is bad and aurbere should be sanctioned for obvious baiting tbh. I disagree, this thread made me reconsider Thrawn vs Revan as a Kaggath match, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I disagree, this thread made me reconsider Thrawn vs Revan as a Kaggath match, lol. Well I'm glad that we made you reconsider Revan, but even I know that Thrawn is THE best tactical genius. However, I don't really know who else their is to take on Thrawn, so perhaps this will be interesting. But yeah, Revan is also a great strategist, he's just not Thrawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well I'm glad that we made you reconsider Revan, but even I know that Thrawn is THE best tactical genius. However, I don't really know who else their is to take on Thrawn, so perhaps this will be interesting. But yeah, Revan is also a great strategist, he's just not Thrawn. I want to include him, but I can't come up with a match - suggestions are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMe Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I want to include him, but I can't come up with a match - suggestions are welcome! Don't get me wrong - Revan is a great strategist! All I was saying is that Thrawn just seems to find a way to beat ANYBODY. But I honestly think that Revan will make a great opponent for Thrawn. Here's an idea: you could have Thrawn vs. Revan AND somebody else. Like maybe the exile? Or Saul Karath? Perhaps that would make the fight more fair. It's just an idea. However I still like the idea of comparing 1 person to 1 other person. 2 on 1 just isn't as epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Star-Scream- Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 This is me just asking a serious question on the topic of Revan and his "mastery" of the force. But wasn't he the one to come up with the force superweapon that is the Thought Bomb? Didn't Bane learn it from Revan's holocron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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