Please, find below a list of reasons why all the melee classes need a serious love in this game. You may discuss this list, add new reasons. If you do so, I will update this original post accordingly.

 

Reason 1

When a melee class is rooted, snared, or bumped, it cannot deal any DPS (with the exception of the Jedi Shadow and Sith assassin who can deal some Range DPS). The resolution bar is not growing up that much when you are affected by a movement impairing effect. Even worse: while rooted, the resolution bar starts decreasing. You cannot move, but you are almost immediately eligible for a mez, a stun, or whatever else. Obviously, a melee class is much more affected by crowed control effects than any other class in the game.

 

Reason 2

The melee classes are taking way too much damage. They take so much damage that they have not the ability to put the pressure into the enemy lines. Let's take an example: a 50v50 fight on Ilum. The melee classes, i.e DPS and tanks, cannot rush the enemy lines. If they do so, they get killed in a couple of seconds. The combat is therefore a (Range + Healer) vs (Range + Healer) fight. In such a fight, melee classes are only spectators. This issue has also an impact in the overall PvP game play: since it is not possible to rush into the enemy lines, the fight is therefore quite static.

 

Reason 3

The melee classes are globally dealing less DPS than the range classes. This is a subjective observation as I do not have any combat logs to prove this general feeling or its contrary. But I can also listen to people who have two characters, one range DPS class and one melee DPS class, and who report the exact same feeling. IMHO, a melee DPS class should strike hard when in contact of the target, as most of the time, due to the movement impairing effects and other CCs, the melee DPS class cannot deal any DPS at all.

 

Reason 4

In PvE raids, the melee classes generally take more risks than the range classes. For instance, some bosses can cleave, can PBAoE (not that much in SWToR though), which can be quite harmful for the melee classes. In some extent, there are no added values in having melee classes in a PvE Raid operation at this moment (with the exception of the tank of course).

 

 

For these reasons at least, the melee classes need a serious love. The suggestions are:

- Melee tank classes should take less damage in defensive forms (and deal little damage)

- Melee tank classes should be more efficient in protecting (guarding) their team mates.

- Melee DPS classes should deal more damage in offensive forms.

- Melee classes should be less affected by crowed control effects in general, as they are both affected by movement impairing effects and mez / stun effects.

Edited February 17, 2012 by Trimsic

The one thing I don't understand is that in other games, melee classes have far superior damage to ranged classes because of the liabliity of being in melee. Here in SWTOR it seems to be the opposite. Ranged classes not only have the better abilities, but do higher damage as well. (See Commandos/Mercenaries).

 

Tell me why again was a ranged class given heavy armor, shields, armor reduction abilities, the ability to self heal, knockbacks, and high damage?

 

It's like pre-nerf Paladins on steroids. AT least paladins were melee....this is ridiculous.

Seriously, I've been ************ about this alot, myself. The amount of DPS my Sentinel does is completely pathetic compared to the amount of damage I take. In a typical warzone match, i'll deal between 80k and 100k damage, but I'll have died somewhere between 15 and 25 times. But, honestly I don't find a lot of problems with PVP. my main issue comes with the fact that with every PVP aspect they nerf for QQers, they make things harder on the PVE players. It is freaking ridiculous that I'm getting owned by level 30-32 elites when I'm at level 35, with Kira, a stimpack, medpacks, Force Might, Saber Ward, and Call on the Force active. On top of that, there's nowhere to buy parts for T7, so unless you tell Kira to **** off and only focus on gearing the droid, you have no tank.

 

Things that Knights/Warriors need majorly:

Increased DPS to make up for squishiness (Sentinel/Marauder)

Increased defense/endurance to make it a viable tanking option (Guardian/Juggernaut)

A place where we can easily get parts for our droids (All classes. Even C2-N2 could be useful if I could A)turn off his attack feature and B) find parts for him)

 

EDIT: Also, crowd control. Being constantly in the thick of things, Knights/Warriors (especially the Sentinel/Marauder) should have a couple crowd control abilities to even things up when we get mobbed by a bunch of enemies at once.

Edited February 15, 2012 by BinxDarkstar
Thought of something

50 vs 50 Ilum would be a laggy mess that no one would want a part of.

50 vs 50 Ilum would be a laggy mess that no one would want a part of.

 

I don't think a great deal of effort should go into trying to 'balance' that setup either. PVP should ideally be balanced around ranked warzones, group vs group type encounters. As far as the rest of the topic goes I'll leave it that I was hoping nobody would respond to this thread at all

Edited February 15, 2012 by hadoken

I'm in complete agreement. Melee classes take more damage because they're in the absolute thick of things and yet for the most part they're squishy. They also don't deal nearly enough damage to make up for the fact that they have to spend time wading in to get to their target.

And where does this leave Operatives? Even at the moment, they are extremely tedious to play. We have NO gap closers and have to rely entirely on short range stuns. Not only that, but we have no utility or knock backs, and are extremely squishy. The only good thing about them is high burst damage, but if that fails for whatever reason, be it we get caught before we get to open or we can't produce enough DPS to take down the target, we are royally screwed.

I actually made a thread on the issues melee have.

 

Check it out for stuff to add:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=293979

This thread deserves a good look at.

With the exception of Master Strike/the marauder equivalent, it would seem as though melee can do their full DPS while moving, and ranged can't.

 

Just pointing that out.

A little fix for OP: Assassins do as much ranged damage as maras and juggs, only powertechs and operatives can do some ranged damage (its not effective but sometimes enough to finish off somebody), yet these are 2 classes which have almost no gap closers (45s CD pull for PT and stealth for ops, not much, not much...).

 

 

p.s. Maras do very nice damage and their only problem is bad players.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Vesperr

ranged classes are stronger. more dmg, more cc, better defence

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and the maps are heavily ranged friendly

 

 

= melee get shat on most of the time.

50 vs 50 Ilum would be a laggy mess that no one would want a part of.

 

And that's different how?? PvP is so unbalanced because they let the mythic guys develop it and anyone that played WAR can tell you how much of a crap shoot that was.

 

Not having DR on roots/snares is broken. Giving range classes the ability to CC a target for 20 seconds and there's nothing you can do about it...is broken.

 

However, they are working on stuff. I await patiently for things to get smoothed out...that or if they don't, leave for GW2.

And that's different how?? PvP is so unbalanced because they let the mythic guys develop it and anyone that played WAR can tell you how much of a crap shoot that was.

 

Not having DR on roots/snares is broken. Giving range classes the ability to CC a target for 20 seconds and there's nothing you can do about it...is broken.

 

However, they are working on stuff. I await patiently for things to get smoothed out...that or if they don't, leave for GW2.

 

Yup, Marauder = Marauder, and I'm certain a few people will get what I mean by that.

Melee is at a MASSIVE disadvantage in the game right now.

 

This is seriously one of the biggest issues I have and its killing me.

 

Wow had the same problem, and they resolved it. I'm sure the TOR devs will get around to it. But I hope they do it soon.

 

 

We do equal DPS to ranged but we do it less often, so we do less DPS. That isn't balanced.

 

We're FAR more susceptible to roots and snares and stuns and knockback, and this game as a freaking s-ton of them.

 

And bosses have all kinds of AOE smash and breath weapon (cone) attacks. Ranged characters can literally just stand at a distance and fire. Melee has to run back and forth constantly to dodge attacks that would take out a third of our life, so we deal half the DPS in those boss encounters.

 

Its ridiculous.

Please, find below a list of reasons why all the melee classes need a serious love in this game. You may discuss this list, add new reasons. If you do so, I will update this original post accordingly.

 

Reason 1

When a melee class is rooted, snared, or bumped, it cannot deal any DPS (with the exception of the Jedi Shadow and Sith assassin who can deal some Range DPS). The resolution bar is not growing up that much when you are affected by a movement impairing effect. Even worse: while rooted, the resolution bar starts decreasing. You cannot move, but you are almost immediately eligible for a mez, a stun, or whatever else. Obviously, a melee class is much more affected by crowed control effects than any other class in the game.

 

Reason 2

The melee classes are taking way too much damage. They take so much damage that they have not the ability to put the pressure into the enemy lines. Let's take an example: a 50v50 fight on Ilum. The melee classes, i.e DPS and tanks, cannot rush the enemy lines. If they do so, they get killed in a couple of seconds. The combat is therefore a (Range + Healer) vs (Range + Healer) fight. In such a fight, melee classes are only spectators. This issue has also an impact in the overall PvP game play: since it is not possible to rush into the enemy lines, the fight is therefore quite static.

 

Reason 3

The melee classes are globally dealing less DPS than the range classes. This is a subjective observation as I do not have any combat logs to prove this general feeling or its contrary. But I can also listen to people who have two characters, one range DPS class and one melee DPS class, and who report the exact same feeling. IMHO, a melee DPS class should strike hard when in contact of the target, as most of the time, due to the movement impairing effects and other CCs, the melee DPS class cannot deal any DPS at all.

 

Put this in the PVP thread instead. You dont mention 1 single PVE disadvantage being mele ?

 

This s just a huge complain about Crowd control in PVP.

The one thing I don't understand is that in other games, melee classes have far superior damage to ranged classes because of the liabliity of being in melee.

 

not universal and is why i was forced to main swap from my dps dk to my shadow priest from wrath through cataclysm (mostly we had too much melee, but they knew raid dps wouldnt suffer for me going to a ranged class)

 

 

it was boss mechanics, not base dmg that favored melee

I would have agreed before, but melee classes are really good. They don't quite match up with the Over-powered Mercs/Sorcs of the SWTOR world, but they are fantastic.

The one thing I don't understand is that in other games, melee classes have far superior damage to ranged classes because of the liabliity of being in melee. Here in SWTOR it seems to be the opposite. Ranged classes not only have the better abilities, but do higher damage as well. (See Commandos/Mercenaries).

 

Tell me why again was a ranged class given heavy armor, shields, armor reduction abilities, the ability to self heal, knockbacks, and high damage?

 

It's like pre-nerf Paladins on steroids. AT least paladins were melee....this is ridiculous.

 

Well if you start to discuss like this, people will throw on your head that melees have an interrupt skill. So you need to interrupt the dmg of the ranged class to succeed.. never saw this in any game. Yes interrupts did exist but not to tone down their dmg but to hinder them on cc especially, but in close combat a close combat fighter (not stealther) has to have the upper hand when it comes to dps. In other games melees (not stealther) have actually more surviveability in group pvp. And when we talk abut CC, well no wonder why pvp sucks...there is no diminishing returns.

 

 

I can imagine why we see no combat log in this game, because they rushed towards release and everyone would be up for a suprise. All they do is balancing slowly with patches and more will come by.

Edited February 16, 2012 by BobaFurz

If they do as you all suggest for the sake of balancing pvp, balance for PvE will be shot. You will be obligated to roll a melee class if you wish to run FPs or Operations. They will have to do a pvp-specific change in order to keep things even.

Ranged classes not only have the better abilities, but do higher damage as well. (See Commandos/Mercenaries).

 

Tell me why again was a ranged class given heavy armor, shields, armor reduction abilities, the ability to self heal, knockbacks, and high damage?

 

QFT! Sents/Maras do not get anywhere near the amount of utility, defense and escape options Mercs/Comms get, and were in freaking Medium Armor.

 

Were pulled into fire, pushed off walkways and into acid, stunned for 20 seconds because resolve is broken and we have nothing to defend ourselves with except some ****** 1 min CD! It's getting exhausting

QFT! Sents/Maras do not get anywhere near the amount of utility, defense and escape options Mercs/Comms get, and were in freaking Medium Armor.

 

Good lord someone actually believes this? What level is your sentinel/marauder, 10?

Edited February 16, 2012 by hadoken

With the exception of Master Strike/the marauder equivalent, it would seem as though melee can do their full DPS while moving, and ranged can't.

 

Just pointing that out.

 

This is not completely true: assault spec vanguard and commando (and their mirror classes) can deal a huge amount of damage while moving.

If they do as you all suggest for the sake of balancing pvp, balance for PvE will be shot. You will be obligated to roll a melee class if you wish to run FPs or Operations. They will have to do a pvp-specific change in order to keep things even.

 

I understand the meaning of your remark. But actually, there are solutions like those that have been put in place in Rift. For instance, the damage output of some spells in PvE do not scale the same way in PvP.

I would have agreed before, but melee classes are really good. They don't quite match up with the Over-powered Mercs/Sorcs of the SWTOR world, but they are fantastic.

 

It's true that the melee classes are fun to play. But they are not that efficient. Think about the incoming ranking system.