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He pulled a star destroyer out of the sky that was already about to go down. He hasn't done what Luke has done. I.E. create an illusion of an entire starfleet, manipulate black holes, become the very definition of an immovable object, tear down a citadel with the force and then completely rebuild it with no hassle, walk on lava, move faster than the eye can see, warp objects, and so much more. Starkiller has nothing on Luke. For that matter.. neither does Vader.

 

The illusion thing is Sith Sorcery and was done way before Luke did it, so he is not the best there.

 

The black hole thing is pretty b.a. I admit, but an ancient Sith Lord supposedly made a star go nova.

 

I don't even know what you mean by the immovable object part.

 

Bane tore down the Rakata temple ontop of one of his old Master's head during a fight on Lehon.

 

Walkin on lava just sounds useless, though if Anakin could've done it during the fight with Obi-Wan in EP3 things might've been different.

 

Darth Bane, Lord Kas'im, Darth Zannah, Master Farfalla, General Hoth, and Master Raskta could all move faster than the eye can see.

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The illusion thing is Sith Sorcery and was done way before Luke did it, so he is not the best there.

 

The black hole thing is pretty b.a. I admit, but an ancient Sith Lord supposedly made a star go nova.

 

I don't even know what you mean by the immovable object part.

 

Bane tore down the Rakata temple ontop of one of his old Master's head during a fight on Lehon.

 

Walkin on lava just sounds useless, though if Anakin could've done it during the fight with Obi-Wan in EP3 things might've been different.

 

Darth Bane, Lord Kas'im, Darth Zannah, Master Farfalla, General Hoth, and Master Raskta could all move faster than the eye can see.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Powers_and_abilities

 

Just read that.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again:

The best Jedi and Sith and Jedi/Sith ever is Revan. Hands down.

 

Anyone who doesn't think Reven could hand Luke his *** inside of 30 seconds is either doped up or hasn't seen me buff stacking before I maul Malak on hard. (FORCE SPEED FTW!)

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Again, I see nothing in here aside from the black hole thing and teleporting objects that hasn't been done by others. He may have done some of these things better (though in the same vein others have done some things better than Luke), but the only things that makes him unique are the black hole thing and the teleport. Even the Inverse Dun Moch was done by Revan and attempted by Cay Qel-Droma.

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Again, I see nothing in here aside from the black hole thing and teleporting objects that hasn't been done by others. He may have done some of these things better (though in the same vein others have done some things better than Luke), but the only things that makes him unique are the black hole thing and the teleport. Even the Inverse Dun Moch was done by Revan and attempted by Cay Qel-Droma.

 

Ok so these other jedi can:

 

"Luke mirrored Darth Vader's own Form V technique and responded with his own furious demonstration of Form V's raw power. Observing swordsmen such as Palpatine might be astonished at such instantaneous learning in a lightsaber duel."

 

" It should be noted that Luke advanced more quickly than any other known Jedi before him in lightsaber combat"

 

"Luke showed his mastery of lightsaber combat in 43 ABY when with only one strike he disarmed Jedi Knight Valin Horn, who was at the time mad with Force psychosis."

 

"During the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar, Luke reached a state of Oneness. He was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused was he that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality."

 

"Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong."

 

"Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and to issue his views about the role of the Order to his Jedi."

 

"During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do."

 

"Luke revealed to Jaina Solo that he was capable of perceiving Shatterpoints, a very rare Force ability"

 

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So your saying every jedi/sith can do all this stuff exactly?

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In all honesty if you want the BEST EVER you need only look to Cade Skywalker.

 

But I still say HK-47 beats all.

 

Only force user to ever been confirmed to have brought someone back from the dead, killed a half dozen sith lords all while having a bad attitude, not to mention on drugs. Ok some of the comic series he was on drugs anyway. Tack on that hes also a smuggler to boot, and what you have is a strange combination Anakin and Luke Skywalker, and Han Solo. Oh, he was also affiliated with Bounty Hunters dont remember whether he was one, if so throw in Boba Fett to add some flavour.

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Ok so these other jedi can:

 

"Luke mirrored Darth Vader's own Form V technique and responded with his own furious demonstration of Form V's raw power. Observing swordsmen such as Palpatine might be astonished at such instantaneous learning in a lightsaber duel."

 

" It should be noted that Luke advanced more quickly than any other known Jedi before him in lightsaber combat"

 

"Luke showed his mastery of lightsaber combat in 43 ABY when with only one strike he disarmed Jedi Knight Valin Horn, who was at the time mad with Force psychosis."

 

"During the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar, Luke reached a state of Oneness. He was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused was he that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality."

 

"Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong."

 

"Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and to issue his views about the role of the Order to his Jedi."

 

"During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do."

 

"Luke revealed to Jaina Solo that he was capable of perceiving Shatterpoints, a very rare Force ability"

 

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So your saying every jedi/sith can do all this stuff exactly?

 

Mirroring Lightsaber forms is easy, not instantly, but the only thing that makes him even SLIGHTLY unique in this is that he is a quick learner (visual learning). Not a force ability, just a talent for visual learning.

 

Again, learning quickly ("advanced more quickly") is not a Force ability, merely a personal trait (quick learner). The same could be said for any genius (genius, in the martial sense, meaning someone who learns and adapts to combat at an unusually quick pace).

 

Though Lightsaber combat is an extension of the ability to use the Force, it is not of itself a Force ability. So disarming an opponent with one move really doesn't matter, and could be done by any Sith/Jedi who supremely outmatched an opponent. What would have been better is if Luke disarmed him with the Force (pulling the enemy's weapon from his hand) while his enemy was encased in protection from the Force (an ability many Force users learn as second nature during training) as this would symbolize his superiority in his ability to use the Force by overpowering and completely breaking through the Force shield of his opponent.

 

Look up Oneness on the the same website you linked to me and you will see a list of people who achieve Oneness, including Anakin Skywalker.

 

"Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong." this exact same description was also applied to Lord Kas'im during his battle with Darth Bane and Jedi Master Raskta Lsu when she was fighting Darth Bane (along with 3 other Masters, a Jedi Knight, and a Master concentrating on Battle Meditation).

 

Force Telepathy is not unique, he merely exhibits a greater control over it by using it to multiple people at once. While we are on the subject, Force Telepathy can be done by any Force User that can manifests itself as a Force Ghost after death. I.e. Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, all the Sith Lords in their tombs on Korriban, etc.

 

Masking oneself with the Force is not unique to Luke, regardless of what that page says. Darth Zannah did the same during her apprenticeship, when she masked her Dark Side and even replaced it with a false sense of the Light Side when she was infiltrating the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Zannah also masked her lifeforce, and the lifeforce of her weakened master Darth Bane on Ambria when they hid in a storeroom in the home of the recently murdered Caleb. The Jedi squad sent there were unable to sense there ability to use the Force, or that anyone other than them were still alive in the area. (Side note, Zannah was also able to make a person see their worst nightmares and drive them mad or even kill them with this ability).

 

Admittedly, I do not know what a Shatterpoint is. But look at your own quote real quick and notice that you quoted "a rare ability", ergo, not unique to Luke.

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"I am always prepared to fight when I must, and who I must."

―Luke Skywalker, to High Lord Sarasu Taalon [src]

 

Luke duels his father.

Though he received little training, Luke Skywalker became an exceptionally skilled Jedi in combat, making him one of the most powerful Jedi to ever live. Luke Skywalker's use of Form V is probably as much instinctive as trained. On Bespin, Luke revealed that he was an extraordinarily gifted duelist after only one brief session with Obi-Wan Kenobi and a short time of study with Yoda. After that fateful duel, Luke studied some lightsaber skills from Kenobi's journal and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, it was Luke's unparalleled aptitude, which contributed in the impossible advancement of his skills. On board the second Death Star, Luke mirrored Darth Vader's own Form V technique and responded with his own furious demonstration of Form V's raw power. Observing swordsmen such as Palpatine might be astonished at such instantaneous learning in a lightsaber duel. Finally, Luke was able to duel Vader on an even footing, and defeated the experienced Dark Lord. However, Luke's particular form of lightsaber combat may in the end be something entirely new, with traces of Form III, Form IV and Form V mixed together with his own techniques. It is doubtful that Kenobi and Yoda had time to actually teach him the finer points of the combat Forms. Just like most other things about being a Jedi Knight, Luke probably had to figure out whole new fighting styles to replace the ones lost during the Great Jedi Purge.

 

It is also probable that the Jensaarai would have passed on knowledge of the lightsaber forms of the Old Jedi Order since their founders were former Jedi Knights and Padawans; in addition, it was known that the discovery of The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force just prior to the Yuuzhan Vong War was another source of knowledge on the Forms. In particular, Luke took the time to write in the margins noting how compassion was a key element to mastering Form V, indicating he had some degree of knowledge of the finer points in the Form as of at least that point.[162] He also mastered the strong style, a form of lightsaber combat that resembles Djem So that is used in the New Jedi Order.[163] It should be noted that Luke advanced more quickly than any other known Jedi before him in lightsaber combat, being as powerful as Vader after receiving about one year of training.[source?]

 

Shortly after the Battle of Endor Luke fought the Sith Apprentice Flint, who had trained under Darth Vader. At first the two were evenly matched, however Luke began to take the upper hand before being shot by a Stormtrooper. Together with Flint's friend Barney Luke was able to redeem Flint.[54] Shortly after this Luke confronted the Dark Jedi Lumiya, who was trained by Darth Vader and Darth Sidious. Luke was taken surprise by her use of a Lightwhip and was defeated in their first confrontation and taken captive.[164] After escaping Luke constructed a Short Lightsaber to use in conjunction with his own and defeated Lumiya. [57]

 

During the Mission to Mount Tantiss the mad Jedi clone Joruus C'baoth unveiled his apprentice, Luuke Skywalker, a clone made from Luke's severed hand. Luke and Luuke dueled evenly, however Luke could not concentrate due to interference from his clone, however he still managed to beat down the clone and knock him down. Luuke got up and continued to attack but could not break Luke's guard. Luke dodged one of Luuke's attacks and his lightsaber hit a computer which exploded allowing Mara Jade to kill the mad clone.[76]

 

During Operation Shadow Hand the Sith Lord Darth Sidious returned in a clone body and Luke became his apprentice. Luke rebelled against the reborn Emperor and dueled him in a younger clone body. Emperor Palpatine won the duel and Luke was drawn further to the Dark Side. Luke was freed from the Dark Side by his sister Leia, and engaged the Emperor in a final duel. Leia could hardly see the movements of Luke and the Emperor, but she sensed waves of power generating from them—dark from the Emperor, and light from Luke. Luke took the upper hand and sliced off the Emperor's hand with cho mai. Darth Sidious, who had dueled Yoda to a stand still, was finally defeated.[165]

Skywalker using Soresu

 

After defeating the Reborn Emperor Luke defeated Sedriss, who was a Dark Side Adept and Executor.[77] Later he defeated Sedriss' successor Xecr Nist, then saved Kam Solusar's life by using the force to topple a giant statue of Darth Vader onto three attacking Dark Jedi.[78]

 

When one of Luke's first Jedi, Corran Horn, was searching for his wife he was ambushed by five Jensaarai. Another lightsaber appeared wielded by none other than Luke Skywalker who defeated three of the warriors while Corran defeated the other two. Later the two Jedi fought against five more Jensaarai and their leader, Saarai-kaar. Corran engaged Saarai-kaar and with help from his wife Mirax, defeated her while Luke, to Corran's amazement, defeated all five Jensaarai with little effort.[17]

 

During the Empire Reborn Campaign Luke and Jedi Knight Kyle Katarn went on a Mission and infiltrated the Doomgiver. Luke and Kyle defeated a squad of attacking Reborn, dark Jedi who were artificially infused with the Force. Luke and Kyle then split up and Luke was ambushed by the Dark Jedi Desann. Luke evenly dueled the Dark Jedi who choose to trap Luke underneath a pile of rubble and escape rather than continue to fight the Jedi Master.[89]

 

During the Almanian Uprising Luke sensed his fallen student Brakiss had some connection to the bombing of the Senate building. Luke met his former student on Telti and Brakiss attacked the Jedi Master. Skywalker noted that Brakiss had gained strength since he left the Jedi Academy but Luke was still able defend against all of his attacks until Brakiss stopped to tell Luke where to find his master.[94]

 

Luke, in a weakened state from surviving an explosion, eventually confronted Brakiss' master, Kueller, who was another Jedi who fell to the Dark side. Luke tried to convince Kueller to renounce the Dark side to no avail, and Kueller began to attack. Luke managed to defend against many of Kueller's strikes but his strength began to falter and Kueller knocked away his lightsaber. Luke sensed that he could have kept fighting but stopped when Kueller's soldiers came to assist him. Luke eventually escaped from Kueller's prison only to be confronted by Kueller again. The two engaged in another duel. Despite Skywalker's grievous injuries the two dueled evenly. During the duel Luke realized that his own anger was making Kueller stronger so Luke resolved to become one with the Force, just as his master, Obi-Wan had done before him, and guide Leia to defeat Kueller. Before Kueller could strike Luke, his connection to the Force was disrupted by a ysalamiri, saving the Jedi Master's life.[94]

 

During the Battle of the Jedi Praxeum Luke would again confront his former apprentice, The Dark Jedi Brakiss, who was now the Master of the Shadow Academy. The two engaged in a duel during which Luke tried to reason with Brakiss to turn to the Light Side. Seeing that Brakiss would not be redeemed Luke struck at Brakiss' lightsaber hilt, destroying the weapon. Brakiss surrendered but managed to escape thanks to a concealed repulsorjet.[112]

 

Luke displayed his amazing dueling skills with dual blades during the Yuuzhan Vong War. When his nephew, Jacen Solo, was captured by the Yuuzhan Vong Luke wielded his own blade as well as Jacen's and defeated three Yuuzhan Vong Warriors, before freeing Jacen.[122]

 

Later in the Yuuzhan Vong War Luke participated in the Battle of Artorias and defeated over a dozen Yuuzhan Vong Warriors.[124]

 

Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allowed him to fight his way through countless Yuuzhan Vong warriors in the Sacred Precinct. After defeating numerous Yuuzhan Vong warriors in Shimrra's Citadel, Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even the Slayers who were exposed to Alpha Red. Afterward, Luke slew Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who was stated to be the best warrior of the Yuuzhan Vong, despite just being injured by the poison of the Scepter of Power.[11]

 

During the Dark Nest Crisis Luke participated in the Battle of Kr and dueled the former Jedi Alema Rar, who was now a part of the Dark Nest and had given in to the Dark side. Luke tried to redeem Alema but to no avail. Luke then noticed that Mara was under attack and quickly defeated Alema and went to save his wife. Luke saved Mara then dueled the Night Herald Welk, who had previously fought Jedi Master Saba Sebatyne to a standstill. Luke noted that Welk was powerful but was able to use Welk's own lightsaber to kill him.[130]

 

During the Battle of Tenupe Luke dueled Raynar Thul, who at the time could draw on the Force energy of every single nest member and Joiner, however the Grand Master was able to defeat him by cutting off his weapon hand then when Rayner tried to summon his weapon back Luke intercepted it and removed the focusing crystal. Before he could get Raynar to surrender he was attacked by the Queen of the Dark Nest, Lomi Plo. Although Lomi Plo wielded two lightsabers Luke was still able to block her attacks and killed her by slicing her into four pieces, thus destroying the Dark Nest and ending the Swarm War.[137]

Skywalker with his custom-built lightsaber

 

During the Second Galactic Civil War Lumiya returned as a Sith Master and had three duels with the Jedi Grand Master. The first duel Luke could not directly attack her because she was using innocent bystanders to protect her. Although Lumiya severed his artificial hand Luke managed to hold her off until he found a blaster that he used to incapacitate her.[141] The next duel they battled evenly, however Lumiya lowered her guard and claimed she no longer hated Luke, then escaped when the station they were on exploded.[142] Their next confrontation proved to be their last as Luke was led to believe that the Sith Lady had killed his wife Mara. Although armed with only one lightsaber Luke overpowered Lumiya and decapitated her, finally ending his former love.[143]

 

Later into the War Luke led the Jedi against Jacen and faked his death to infiltrate the Anakin Solo. Luke saw Jacen, who was unknown to Luke at this point the Sith Lord Darth Caedus, torturing his son Ben. Luke leapt at Jacen and the two engaged in a prolonged lightsaber duel. Luke eventually defeated his nephew, but he spared him so his son, Ben, would not fall to the Dark Side.[144]

 

Luke showed his mastery of lightsaber combat in 43 ABY when with only one strike he disarmed Jedi Knight Valin Horn, who was at the time mad with Force psychosis.[148]

 

During Luke's exile, the Lost Tribe of Sith sent out a strike team to kill the Jedi Grand Master. Despite being outnumbered, Luke and Ben fought their way through approximately fifteen Sith until only the Sith Lady Olaris Rhea and her apprentice Vestara Khai remained. Luke dueled the both of them and killed Olaris, and allowed Vestara to escape so he could track her with a Blood Trail.[150]

 

During the Duel in the Dathomir landing meadow the Sith Lord Viun Gaalan believed that he could kill Skywalker in revenge for Olaris Rhea's death and attacked Luke. Gaalan used a series of intricate and refined blows in an attempt to overwhelm the elder Skywalker, but the Jedi countered his attacks and began to force him back. Vestera Khai arrived hoping to aid her fellow Sith, but Gaalan used her arrival as a distraction to escape.[151]

 

Eventually Luke and his son Ben allied with the Lost Tribe of Sith to confront the entity known as Abeloth. During the confrontation, Luke and several Sith fought Abeloth together, however the Sith betrayed Skywalker and began to attack him as well. Despite fighting both Abeloth and the Sith, Ben noticed that his father was winning. Abeloth took the form of Luke's companion Dyon Stadd but Luke saw through her deception and seemingly killed her with a strike of his lightsaber.[152]

 

The Skywalkers dueled High Lord Sarasu Taalon, Sith Saber Gavar Khai, and Vestara Khai, in order to protect the identity of their relative, Allana Solo. Luke managed to cut off Gavar Khai's weapon arm and despite being outnumbered, the Jedi where able to escape.[3]

 

Abeloth had managed to survive Skywalker's attack and the Sith and the Jedi confronted her again, while she was in the body of Luke's former love Akanah. Sarasu Taalon was convinced by Abeloth to aid her and Luke Force hurled him into a wall and engaged Abeloth again while Ben fought Taalon and Vestara. During the duel Luke cut off Abeloth's leg then Force pushed her away. Luke then grabbed Taalon with the Force and intended to bring him into his blade, however Abeloth was still alive and latched onto Luke and would not get off even when Luke ignited his lightsaber through her stomach. Luke managed to weaken Abeloth with the Force then dragged his lightsaber across her body, killing another of her bodies. Abeloth returned in another body and would have killed Luke had not Vestara turned against Taalon. Still weakened from the fight, Abeloth chose to flee rather than fight again.

 

The Skywalkers and Vestera tracked down Abeloth to Nam Chorios. While there the group was confronted by Tola Annax, a Sith Saber, who commanded three other Sabers. Tola had the Sabers attack them and each engaged an enemy in single combat. Luke was the first to kill his opponent, cutting the Sith in half by the waist, followed by Vestara then Ben. Shortly after this, they went to meet up with reporter Kandra Nilitz, and were attacked by three more Sith who were easily defeated.[153]

 

After confronting Abeloth again, and freeing Callista Ming from her, Luke, Ben, and Vestara were confronted by Tola Annax again. Tola had brought two dozen sith with her and ordered them to attack. Despite the odds the Skywalkers and Vestara managed to hold off the Sith long enough for Vestara to kill a Tsil, allowing them to escape.[153]

 

While looking for the Sith on Dromund Kaas Luke, Ben, Vestara, and Jaina Solo were attacked by 10 Sith sabers led by Gavar Khai. Despite being outnumbered and the Sith powered by Dromund Kaas' Dark Side Force Nexus the Jedi and Vestara fought them. Luke and Jaina fought back to back, bonded by the Force, in perfect harmony and defeated 6 attacking Sith.[154]

Force powersEdit

 

"Yeah, well, if he's such a great Jedi, how come I have to keep rescuing him?"

―Han Solo, to Mon Mothma[src]

 

Luke Skywalker performs a Mind Trick on a stormtrooper.

Skywalker was skilled in a plethora of Force powers, giving him the Force potential to become what his father was supposed to become—the Force potential of the Chosen One.[166][167]

 

During the Battle of Yavin, Luke managed to destroy the first Death Star by letting the Force tell him when to fire his proton torpedoes, while traveling at very high speeds, and not knowing the distance to the port, and having no previous knowledge of proton torpedoes and their abilities. One should note that Luke only had little training with the Force at this time.[7]

 

Without any guidance except a handbook left by Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker successfully built his first lightsaber, merely three years after he was first introduced to the Force, and undergoing formal training for less than a year. Only a short time after being given a lightsaber by Obi-Wan, Luke was able to instinctively block several blaster bolts fired in rapid succession by a remote, despite his lack of prolonged formal training.

 

In the battle between the Singing Mountain Clan and the Nightsisters, Luke was almost fatally wounded by a Force attack by Gethzerion and a deep fall, but regenerated in the span of mere hours.[26]

 

Luke safely landed himself, Isolder, and Isolder's fighter from a free fall drop from orbit with the Force.[26] During the Battle of Dathomir, Luke flew the Millennium Falcon single-handedly using only the Force, manipulating its controls and operating it with a skill that not even a full crew could manage.[26]

 

Luke also destroyed a group of hot-wired battle droids just by waving his hand, subtly displacing their master servos and causing the self-destruction of the group of droids.[10][165] This Force power was first manifested by Jedi Master Arca Jeth during the Great Droid Revolution. Even then, with proper instruction, it was a difficult power to master. However, this power apparently came naturally to Luke.

 

Luke was able to knock down a crippled AT-AT by pressing against it with the Force; he also absorbed the initial cannon blasts from the AT-AT, before deflecting the rest with his lightsaber.[10][165]

 

During the time when he was re-creating the Jedi Order and was searching for potential candidates, he walked on lava while still throbbing with the Force after defeating a Fireworm living in the lava just moments before. Luke's performance impressed Gantoris so much that he decided to become Luke's apprentice.[15]

 

During the Eye of Palpatine incident, Luke subconsciously used his Force powers to overcome a particularly vicious form of brainwashing.[29]

 

During the Death Seed Plague, Luke used the Force to communicate with the sentient crystals Tsils. It is important to remember that the more dissimilar the type of mind, the more difficult it is to communicate with via the Force.[88]

 

During the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke used the Force to rebuild Darth Vader's old fortress on Coruscant.[91] In addition, Luke later used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.[93]

 

Luke Skywalker was one of the most powerful Force users of his time.

While searching for the kidnapped Solo children, Luke used the Force to create an illusion over his face in order to disguise his identity.[90] After the Black Fleet Crisis, with new found knowledge from the White Current, Luke removed the Teljkon Vagabond from view using the Force; however he admitted that he did not know how long it would last.[93] After the Black Fleet Crisis, Luke taught the combined White Current/the Force illusion skill to his more experienced students, which would help shield the entire moon Yavin 4 from intruders during the Yuuzhan Vong War.

 

After the Senate Building was bombed, Luke stood among the wreckage and was able to divine that his former apprentice, Brakiss, was involved somehow.[94] During the Kueller crisis, Luke prepared himself for death in such a way that he would become a Force ghost.[94] In the middle of a massive midday meal food fight at the Jedi Praxeum's mess hall, Luke instantly froze every morsel, drop and item, solid and liquid in midair as if trapped in time. After scolding the students, he left and with a brief right hand gesture, released the food to fall to the floor for the students to clean up.[80] During the Battle of the Jedi Praxeum Luke used the Force to bolster his students engaged in battle.[112]

 

In the years before the Yuuzhan Vong War, Luke trained to overcome the Force-Blindness caused by Ysalamiri.[120]

 

During the Battle of Dantooine during the Yuuzhan Vong War, Luke tricked a vehicle's dovin basals into colliding its own black hole against itself by using the Force to hold the void against the pull of the dovin basals; then reversing the direction of his own pull, adding it to the pull of the dovin basals, so that the void would collide against the spine of the vehicle.[122] During the Battle of Yuuzhan'tar, Luke reached a state of Oneness. He was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter. So calm and focused was he that his actions were not interrupted by any thought. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong.[11] The Solo twins were astounded seeing their uncle in such a state. Luke used a powerful and unique ability of the Force related to his signature green Electric Judgment in the chamber of Shimrra Jamaane. This technique had been described to look like "green sparks," which instantly killed the Slayers.[11]

 

During the early days of the Dark Nest Crisis, Luke used the Force to generate a lifelike copy of the Jade Shadow to fool the attacking dartships. This usage of the Force was so extreme, Luke burnt out and his face was temporarily sunken and shriveled like Palpatine's.[130] A year later. Luke applied the same trick on the DR919a, but by then Luke already mastered the technique and would no longer burn out.[138]

 

Toward the end of the Swarm War, Luke used the Force to call all the Jedi across the galaxy to Ossus to make the announcement of him taking on the role as Grand Master of the Jedi Order and to issue his views about the role of the Order to his Jedi.[137]

 

While battling UnuThul, Luke was able to resist the combined Force power of the Colony and triumph. When UnuThul attempted to Force Push the Grand Master, Luke rooted himself in the heart of the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him.[137]

 

On only the trip back to Hapes after Luke dueled Lumiya on Terephon, Luke used a Jedi healing trance to heal most of the damage caused by Lumiya.

 

Like his father, Luke was an expert pilot.

During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do.[144] Right before the Battle of Fondor, Luke made Caedus "see" a fleet of ships, causing him to panic in front of his navy. Luke directed it right at Caedus in general, to show him what he could do and also to scare Caedus.[145] Luke revealed to Jaina Solo that he was capable of perceiving Shatterpoints, a very rare Force ability, and taught this ability to Jaina.[146]

 

In 43.5 ABY, Skywalker learned the "lightning-rod" technique Ayna-seff, which he use to safely travel through the Kathol Rift. After spending time with the Aing-Tii, Luke was taught the Fold space ability which allowed him to teleport objects.[149] Luke was able to use the Blood Trail technique, which he used to track down the Sith apprentice Vestara Khai.[150] During the battle in the Fallanassi village, when Abeloth had Luke in a deadly embrace, Luke opened himself to the Force as much as possible, drawing on his love for his son Ben, his lost wife Mara, and the entire Jedi Order. The Light Side rushed into him, his cells began to burst with power and his skin gave off a golden glow. Luke's power apparently harmed Abeloth and Luke seized the moment by using the Force to bring down a ceiling beam onto Abeloth, then seemingly killed her with his lightsaber.[3]

 

While looking for Abeloth on Nam Chorios, Luke mastered mnemotherapy.[153]

 

Upon death, Luke was able to retain his consciousness in the Netherworld of the Force, and could henceforth manifest himself in spirit form.[4]

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"But Luke is strong, stronger than he knows. And Luke has a single purpose. I suppose you could say that he has a pure heart."

―Callista Ming[src]

 

Luke applied the very opposite of Dun Möch on board the second Death Star by infusing love into Darth Vader's heart through spoken words. The young Jedi was successful—Anakin Skywalker ultimately redeemed himself and brought balance to the Force.

 

Like his father, Luke was an expert pilot, being the person who was responsible for destroying the first Death Star and managing to evade Darth Vader himself (albeit with help from Han Solo). He also landed a crashing Imperial Star Destroyer, with almost no loss of life, on Coruscant by allowing the Force to guide him at the Liberator's controls, mirroring a similar achievement by his father at the end of the Clone Wars.[10][165][168] Skywalker continued to pilot an immense variety of starships throughout his life, from a Mandalorian Bes'uliik fighter to his wife's ship, the Jade Shadow.

 

Luke was able to speak a variety of languages such as Galactic Basic,[7][12][169] Huttese (though he was not literate in it),[12][170][171][172][173] Jawa Trade language,[171] Shyriiwook,[171] and Yuzz (not fluently),[174] and he claimed to know twelve other comm

 

 

Since so many people want to argue about Luke's power. Credt to the wookieepedia.

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Revan

 

Why? Well the best Jedi shouldn't only have awesome Jedi moves and powers, but also a good story

 

Let's face it, anyone who has played KOTOR knows he has some nice Jedi moves and powers.

 

Also his story is amazing. Jedi Master -> Hero in the Mandalorian Wars -> Dark Lord of the Sith -> Hero of the Republic trough his redemption because of his love for Bastila

 

And then I'm not even talking about his actions in the novel "Revan" (which I will not mention because maybe some are still reading it).

 

He is just cool, and sometimes funny. As the only Jedi he understands the light and the dark completely, being able to have a relationship with Bastila without falling to the dark side.

 

He's just the best, at least in my opinion. But everybody has it's own taste :)

 

In my opinion he's just really a cheesy copy of vader i mean if u look at his back ground story and actually the entire story of KOTOR 1 it's just been a copy of the original star wars flims but tweaked a bit and it frustrates me when people try to say KOTOR was a better story then that of the original star wars flims i mean don't get me wrong i like the story but dude come on like u said revan was a jedi master, war hero, etc. so was vader, and how revan found redemption in bastila, vader found it in his son and it's just the story itself it happens in chroncial order too in the beggining taris is destroyed doesnt that remind you of aldeeran's demise?, or how revan finds out he's revan and thats the big shock of the story makes me remeber on when Luke found out vader was his father. and the star forge? -__- i think enough has been said.

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The illusion thing is Sith Sorcery and was done way before Luke did it, so he is not the best there.

 

The black hole thing is pretty b.a. I admit, but an ancient Sith Lord supposedly made a star go nova.

 

I don't even know what you mean by the immovable object part.

 

Bane tore down the Rakata temple ontop of one of his old Master's head during a fight on Lehon.

 

Walkin on lava just sounds useless, though if Anakin could've done it during the fight with Obi-Wan in EP3 things might've been different.

 

Darth Bane, Lord Kas'im, Darth Zannah, Master Farfalla, General Hoth, and Master Raskta could all move faster than the eye can see.

 

Making a building collapse is very different than destroying it and re-building it within moments. You're exaggerating other character's feats. It was Naga Sadow who made stars go super nova but not without the meditation sphere and a special crystal that greatly enhanced his powers. He could not perform such a feat in the heat of combat and it took quite a bit of preparation to pull it off. Sidious could destroy planets in the middle of combat.

 

No one has made an entire fleet out of illusions. The problem is when people compare Luke what they love to do is this.. "Such and such person did this and then so and so did this." name an instance where Revan or any ancient Sith/Jedi has done ALL of the things that Luke has done. Also Bane, Zannah, etc were never described to move faster than the eye can see. If you're going to make such claims cite your sources. Do not use wookieepedia. Quote me the text and page number. I've read the novels multiple times and there is no such text.

 

As per my own challenge..

 

DE Audiobook

Luke: "No! I made a mistake! I thought I had to save the galaxy alone. All by myself. But the way of the Jedi is not a solitary path."

 

Leia: "The holocron!! Luke, the holocron told me to “join with my brother!” "

 

Luke: "Yes. The Force binds us. Brings us together. Many people are fighting this war, together! Our ally is the Force! Through the strength of the Force, your shroud of evil has been lifted from my mind! "

 

<Lightsaber activating>

 

Emperor: "So be it. Through the power of the Force, you will die!"

 

<Sabers clashing>

 

Leia: "Be careful, Luke! The Force is strong... they’re both moving so fast, I can hardly see them... I feel waves of power... the Dark Side and the Light but I feel the Light... is winning!"

 

I bring you this.

 

There's one of my sources.

 

Now for some of Luke's feats.

 

Luke walked across the lake of fire.

 

He did not think about it. The lava refused to touch his feet. Only the Force burned bright around him.

 

Luke rebuilding the fortress..

 

Black Fleet - Before the Storm

 

He sat down on the sand, cross-legged and straight-backed, and brought his hands together in his lap, fingertip to fingertip. Concentrating on a picture in his mind, Luke dipped his awareness deeply into the flow of the Force beneath him. With eyes that looked inward, he found what he was seeking, like flaws in a near-perfect crystal. He extended his will.

 

The sand around him stirred. The rocks shuddered, shifted, then began to rise from the sea and the sand as though sifted from them by an invisible screen.

 

Swirling through the air as they sought their place, the stones took shape as broken wall and shattered foundation, as arch and gate and dome-the ruins of Darth Vader's fortress retreat. It hung in the air around and above Luke as it had once stood atop the cliff, a dark-faced and forbidding edifice.

 

And destroying it again..

 

Originally Posted by Black Fleet #3 - Tyrant's Test

Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.

 

But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits.

 

Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.

 

Luke being an immovable object

 

The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common jedi. He had the force potential of The Colony to draw on. He did that now swinging the remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he done before. But this time Luke was ready, he placed his own hand in front of Raynar's, rooted himself in the heart of the force. And when he did that he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him; not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's 16 ion engines, not the blackhole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way waiting, fully aware that the remaining bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions.

 

He literally couldn't be budged. It makes it clear. No matter how hard Raynor tried he couldn't make Luke budge. Then Luke pinned him to the wall with the force lol

 

Fate of the Jedi Omen 229

 

Luke caught Tadar'Ro's eye and smiled a little. Then, before Ben knew what was happening, there was a sharp pop of displaced air. The Vor'cha stick simply vanished from his hands to reappear in his father's. He gaped for a second, and then realized that while he had been studying so hard to learn flow-walking, Luke had readily mastered the other known Aing-Tii Force technique. He laughed a little as Luke tosed the stick back to his son.

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Making a building collapse is very different than destroying it and re-building it within moments. You're exaggerating other character's feats. It was Naga Sadow who made stars go super nova but not without the meditation sphere and a special crystal that greatly enhanced his powers. He could not perform such a feat in the heat of combat and it took quite a bit of preparation to pull it off. Sidious could destroy planets in the middle of combat.

 

No one has made an entire fleet out of illusions. The problem is when people compare Luke what they love to do is this.. "Such and such person did this and then so and so did this." name an instance where Revan or any ancient Sith/Jedi has done ALL of the things that Luke has done. Also Bane, Zannah, etc were never described to move faster than the eye can see. If you're going to make such claims cite your sources. Do not use wookieepedia. Quote me the text and page number. I've read the novels multiple times and there is no such text.

 

As per my own challenge..

 

DE Audiobook

Luke: "No! I made a mistake! I thought I had to save the galaxy alone. All by myself. But the way of the Jedi is not a solitary path."

 

Leia: "The holocron!! Luke, the holocron told me to “join with my brother!” "

 

Luke: "Yes. The Force binds us. Brings us together. Many people are fighting this war, together! Our ally is the Force! Through the strength of the Force, your shroud of evil has been lifted from my mind! "

 

<Lightsaber activating>

 

Emperor: "So be it. Through the power of the Force, you will die!"

 

<Sabers clashing>

 

Leia: "Be careful, Luke! The Force is strong... they’re both moving so fast, I can hardly see them... I feel waves of power... the Dark Side and the Light but I feel the Light... is winning!"

 

I bring you this.

 

There's one of my sources.

 

Now for some of Luke's feats.

 

Luke walked across the lake of fire.

 

He did not think about it. The lava refused to touch his feet. Only the Force burned bright around him.

 

Luke rebuilding the fortress..

 

Black Fleet - Before the Storm

 

He sat down on the sand, cross-legged and straight-backed, and brought his hands together in his lap, fingertip to fingertip. Concentrating on a picture in his mind, Luke dipped his awareness deeply into the flow of the Force beneath him. With eyes that looked inward, he found what he was seeking, like flaws in a near-perfect crystal. He extended his will.

 

The sand around him stirred. The rocks shuddered, shifted, then began to rise from the sea and the sand as though sifted from them by an invisible screen.

 

Swirling through the air as they sought their place, the stones took shape as broken wall and shattered foundation, as arch and gate and dome-the ruins of Darth Vader's fortress retreat. It hung in the air around and above Luke as it had once stood atop the cliff, a dark-faced and forbidding edifice.

 

And destroying it again..

 

Originally Posted by Black Fleet #3 - Tyrant's Test

Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.

 

But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits.

 

Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.

 

Luke being an immovable object

 

The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common jedi. He had the force potential of The Colony to draw on. He did that now swinging the remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he done before. But this time Luke was ready, he placed his own hand in front of Raynar's, rooted himself in the heart of the force. And when he did that he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him; not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's 16 ion engines, not the blackhole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way waiting, fully aware that the remaining bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions.

 

He literally couldn't be budged. It makes it clear. No matter how hard Raynor tried he couldn't make Luke budge. Then Luke pinned him to the wall with the force lol

 

Fate of the Jedi Omen 229

 

Luke caught Tadar'Ro's eye and smiled a little. Then, before Ben knew what was happening, there was a sharp pop of displaced air. The Vor'cha stick simply vanished from his hands to reappear in his father's. He gaped for a second, and then realized that while he had been studying so hard to learn flow-walking, Luke had readily mastered the other known Aing-Tii Force technique. He laughed a little as Luke tosed the stick back to his son.

 

Read the books again and you will find it about Bane, I guarantee it. I just finished reading them for the 5th time. I would cite exact page number, but I am at work and the books are at home (hence why I'm on the forums)

 

*EDIT: By the way, to say you cant use Wookiepedia is just stupid and makes you look like a special little pig. Not all of us own every source/audio source. Some people don't have the money, and others just don't have them on hand due to other things (work, school, etc). Wookiepedia is a perfectly viable source of information if the page you are searching on has sources, which they nearly all do. This isn't a college essay Professor.

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Best Jedi I've ever seen is Anakin Skywalker, Getting the full power of Lightning on his armor and still tossed Palps down the shaft like LeBron James ;)

 

And he was so powefull that he could redeem himself from the Dark Side as Darth Vader, becoming Anakin once more. that alone was thought by many to be impossible.

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No one has made an entire fleet out of illusions. The problem is when people compare Luke what they love to do is this.. "Such and such person did this and then so and so did this." name an instance where Revan or any ancient Sith/Jedi has done ALL of the things that Luke has done. Also Bane, Zannah, etc were never described to move faster than the eye can see. If you're going to make such claims cite your sources. Do not use wookieepedia. Quote me the text and page number. I've read the novels multiple times and there is no such text.

 

 

Wuts wrong with wookieepedia?

 

 

I haven't read every single book, and I get most of my info from there. And rightly so since writers, devs have stated it is one of the most valuable resources.

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Mirroring Lightsaber forms is easy, not instantly, but the only thing that makes him even SLIGHTLY unique in this is that he is a quick learner (visual learning). Not a force ability, just a talent for visual learning.

 

Again, learning quickly ("advanced more quickly") is not a Force ability, merely a personal trait (quick learner). The same could be said for any genius (genius, in the martial sense, meaning someone who learns and adapts to combat at an unusually quick pace).

 

Though Lightsaber combat is an extension of the ability to use the Force, it is not of itself a Force ability. So disarming an opponent with one move really doesn't matter, and could be done by any Sith/Jedi who supremely outmatched an opponent. What would have been better is if Luke disarmed him with the Force (pulling the enemy's weapon from his hand) while his enemy was encased in protection from the Force (an ability many Force users learn as second nature during training) as this would symbolize his superiority in his ability to use the Force by overpowering and completely breaking through the Force shield of his opponent.

 

Look up Oneness on the the same website you linked to me and you will see a list of people who achieve Oneness, including Anakin Skywalker.

 

"Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong." this exact same description was also applied to Lord Kas'im during his battle with Darth Bane and Jedi Master Raskta Lsu when she was fighting Darth Bane (along with 3 other Masters, a Jedi Knight, and a Master concentrating on Battle Meditation).

 

Force Telepathy is not unique, he merely exhibits a greater control over it by using it to multiple people at once. While we are on the subject, Force Telepathy can be done by any Force User that can manifests itself as a Force Ghost after death. I.e. Obi-Wan, Anakin Skywalker, all the Sith Lords in their tombs on Korriban, etc.

 

Masking oneself with the Force is not unique to Luke, regardless of what that page says. Darth Zannah did the same during her apprenticeship, when she masked her Dark Side and even replaced it with a false sense of the Light Side when she was infiltrating the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Zannah also masked her lifeforce, and the lifeforce of her weakened master Darth Bane on Ambria when they hid in a storeroom in the home of the recently murdered Caleb. The Jedi squad sent there were unable to sense there ability to use the Force, or that anyone other than them were still alive in the area. (Side note, Zannah was also able to make a person see their worst nightmares and drive them mad or even kill them with this ability).

 

Admittedly, I do not know what a Shatterpoint is. But look at your own quote real quick and notice that you quoted "a rare ability", ergo, not unique to Luke.

 

No, they may not be unique in themselves...but most characters in canon...not in the video games...display ONE of these powers. Luke has displayed them all. Every one of them. That makes him the most powerful. Who cares if someone else can do this one and this guy can do that one? He can pull them all off with little effort. He's the most powerful, per Lucas. Luke wins.

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Wait, so if it happened in a video game, that makes it ok, but if you have to read it, then it's not valid? Wow..that's just....yeah...

 

I never said that. I'm saying I didn't know about him manipulating black holes because I haven't read any of the EU. BUT I have played some of the video games. If you read for a second you will also see that I put pulling a Star Destroyer (Read: Redirecting) out of the sky was "A bit much" for me, so been able to manipulate a black hole would be taking the p*ss. They'd already made the force cool in the films no need to make it stupid.

 

Try reading a post before you get all "Funny" and Sarcastic.

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Qui Gon Jinn is the greatest Jedi of all time, and hear me out on this;

 

He went out of his way to free Anakin from slavery and believed the living force led him to Anakin was the chosen one, then when the council refused to train Anakin because he was too old, he went against the council and threatened to train him himself if they did not approved he even went as far as committing his dying words to making sure Obi Wan trained Anakin to be a Jedi. So in short, the man who brought balance to the force would of never been able to get into that position if it was not for the great unorthodox jedi who went against the majority and free hundreds of millions of people from slavery and tyranny years down the line. If it was down to Yoda and Windu the Empire would of still been in control and ol' Ben and Luke wouldn't be able to touch palps.

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