Slipzman Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader? If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekkau Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader? If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII. Not entirely, for example, Vader couldn't use force lightning because of his suit, and because he was mostly mechanical, it severely limited his movement. In addition, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility. The books suggest that this is one of the reasons the Emperor was looking for Luke to replace Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanojo Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I personally think that had he not been thrown into lava, anakin would've been much more powerful than suit vader, but as far as comparing his abilities up to that point and after he became suit vader, obviously suit vader is more powerful as he is much more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekkau Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Also remember, he was cut in half in addition to being severely burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipzman Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Ofcource he would have become stronger without the suit. The reason Palpy wanted to replace Vader was becaus due to his grief and wounds he could not surpass Palpatine. But in turn he did become stronger than he was at Episode 3. Force lightning is overrated, Powerful but when it seems every weak character in the star wars universe can use it it becomes clear that it was only Sidious extraordinary powerful lightning that was very harmful to DV. Also it seems in rather late canon Vader is very resilient to force lightning, Much more so than many belived previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaxon Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training. Edited January 4, 2012 by Slaxon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipzman Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantic Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 In terms of war and physical conflict experience makes up for at least 50% of your probability to win. In most cases probably a lot higher than 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The suit limited both his physical potential and his force potential. That doesn't mean he didn't still got stronger or better after the suit, it basically means his max potential just got lowered. The potential which Luke later reaches in his training. This. After suit, Vader became stronger and far more skilled with a saber and the force. He was still more powerful than most Sith, force wise. He was 80% OF Sidious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_freefall Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader? If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII. Everyone thinks anakin is stronger that vader because the OT was made in teh 70s. They didn't have the technology to show off awesome force powers and have them all over the place. Vader is far stonger than anakin Not entirely, for example, Vader couldn't use force lightning because of his suit, and because he was mostly mechanical, it severely limited his movement. In addition, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility. The books suggest that this is one of the reasons the Emperor was looking for Luke to replace Vader. Vader was more resistant to force lightning because of his suit. Yes he lost speed and agility, however he adapted his fighting style and grew in his powers of the force. He walked into an ambush set by 8 jedi (3-4 were masters if i remember correctly) and he killed 7 of them himself, and would've killed the 8th but the 501st showed up and did it for him. Vader is far stonger than people believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkMorlin Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Why would Vader's suit limit his power or ability to use/resist force lightning? Vader could insulate himself with advanced polymers and ultra-heavy metals, while a flesh and blood person would have only water and bone to inhibit conduction. Maybe he even installed batteries with conductors to absorb the lightning and power his batteries to make him even stronger? He could have easily shielded his critical components to prevent electrical shock. Palpatine stronger? No...Vader was keeping him alive for two reasons, Palps vastly superior Dark Side knowledge, and he needed a partner to run the galaxy (big place). As far as Vader being injured by Palps lightning attack, remember both he and Luke were totally exhausted after a major fight. Luke had just beaten him within an inch of his mechanical life...Vader's tank was empty, but he still shrugged Palpatine off and threw him to his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Why would Vader's suit limit his power or ability to use/resist force lightning? Vader could insulate himself with advanced polymers and ultra-heavy metals, while a flesh and blood person would have only water and bone to inhibit conduction. Maybe he even installed batteries with conductors to absorb the lightning and power his batteries to make him even stronger? He could have easily shielded his critical components to prevent electrical shock. Palpatine stronger? No...Vader was keeping him alive for two reasons, Palps vastly superior Dark Side knowledge, and he needed a partner to run the galaxy (big place). As far as Vader being injured by Palps lightning attack, remember both he and Luke were totally exhausted after a major fight. Luke had just beaten him within an inch of his mechanical life...Vader's tank was empty, but he still shrugged Palpatine off and threw him to his death. I like this joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Everyone thinks anakin is stronger that vader because the OT was made in teh 70s. They didn't have the technology to show off awesome force powers and have them all over the place. Vader is far stonger than anakin Lucas already explained this in the commentary and interviews. During the OT Vader/Obi were old thus were slow/incapable of doing much. While also stating Vader was ALOT weaker then Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Lucas already explained this in the commentary and interviews. During the OT Vader/Obi were old thus were slow/incapable of doing much. While also stating Vader was ALOT weaker then Anakin. Lets see the proof. I believe Leland Chee stated Vader was in his prime in suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_freefall Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Lucas already explained this in the commentary and interviews. During the OT Vader/Obi were old thus were slow/incapable of doing much. While also stating Vader was ALOT weaker then Anakin. Obiwan was old, vader not so much. He was by return of the Jedi. Also, how can you be old and slow in a mostly mechanical body?? Edited January 5, 2012 by darth_freefall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KothMelan Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Obiwan was old, vader not so much. He was by return of the Jedi. Also, how can you be old and slow in a mostly mechanical body?? Furthermore, when has age been much of a factor for jedis or sith? Yoda was almost a millenium old, and he fought off a dark lord of the Sith. A relatively young one by Yoda's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurniipKing Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 How come such a big number of people seem to think that Vader as he appeared in EPIII is stronger than suit Vader? If anyones bothers to read some of the books or even on wookiepedia it's very clear that suit Vader is >alot< stronger than Anakin/Vader in EPIII. It's a toss up. Thanks to what was done to him, he's probably a LOT stronger in rhe Dark Side than he used to be... can you imagine the rage powering him now? On top of that, physically he probably is a lot stronger. He's powered by cybernetics, now. But it comes at a price. No Force-Lightning and barely a fraction of his speed, as others have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurniipKing Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Why would Vader's suit limit his power or ability to use/resist force lightning? Vader could insulate himself with advanced polymers and ultra-heavy metals, while a flesh and blood person would have only water and bone to inhibit conduction. Maybe he even installed batteries with conductors to absorb the lightning and power his batteries to make him even stronger? He could have easily shielded his critical components to prevent electrical shock. Palpatine stronger? No...Vader was keeping him alive for two reasons, Palps vastly superior Dark Side knowledge, and he needed a partner to run the galaxy (big place). As far as Vader being injured by Palps lightning attack, remember both he and Luke were totally exhausted after a major fight. Luke had just beaten him within an inch of his mechanical life...Vader's tank was empty, but he still shrugged Palpatine off and threw him to his death. It's canon. For whatever reason, Vaders own life-support system is very vulnerable to Force Lightning. Kind of makes sense, I suppose. If you were the Emperor and you wanted to keep your unruly apprentice in line, you're hardly going to protect him against your strongest attack, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_freefall Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 It's canon. For whatever reason, Vaders own life-support system is very vulnerable to Force Lightning. Kind of makes sense, I suppose. If you were the Emperor and you wanted to keep your unruly apprentice in line, you're hardly going to protect him against your strongest attack, are you? Actually Vader modifies his suit so that it is more resistant to force lightning. He knows it is a weakness and does as much as possible to mitigate it. Palpatines force lightning was some of the strongest of any Sith lord. He is toying with luke but when Vader picks him up he amps it up to full blast, and Vader still throws him into the reactor. If he was really vulnerable to force lightning he would have dropped the emperor and fallen down as soon as he was hit with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 It's canon. For whatever reason, Vaders own life-support system is very vulnerable to Force Lightning. Kind of makes sense, I suppose. If you were the Emperor and you wanted to keep your unruly apprentice in line, you're hardly going to protect him against your strongest attack, are you? No it isn't. Vader was far more resistant to force lightning than any other Jedi/Sith. What "Canon" proof do you have that he's vulnerable to lightning? The fact he died to it against the most powerful sith lord in the history of star wars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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