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Maybe they are just fixing that dumb idea. I get it the Sith are evil, have a militant force power oligarchy who murder people for fun sells it just fine. Macking them racist is just stupid, so am glade if that goes.
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Play belsavis on the empire side I am not surprised that some cathar signed up.

 

You have a general quest for the empire where the republic kidnapped and imprisoned a prince of the cathar who was against his people joining the republic and of course your empire character springs him and his followers out.

 

The empire then escorted him back to his planet and he said he will let his people know what the republic did to him and hence you see the cathar there during makeb. Well this is what I think.

 

Plus there are many sith npc's who say they should take in aliens. Darth jadus, Darth Marr and Darth malgus. Heck even Darth baras was getting annoyed with tremel cause he was QQ over the new sith rules that anyone who is force sensitive can be sith.

 

So I think he does not care for race/blood either.

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If you do the actual Ilum-based story quests around the Flashpoints Battle of Ilum and False Emperor -- i.e., have the briefings with the Imperials before and after --

 

 

 

You can point out that Malgus had some good ideas, and the Imps will say something to the effect that they'll consider them. Malgus certainly did get a lot of people to join him... so yeah.

 

 

 

I'm sure plenty of the Imperials and Sith still don't care much for aliens on a personal level, but as far as strategic advantages, at this point I imagine they'll take what they can get.

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If you do the actual Ilum-based story quests around the Flashpoints Battle of Ilum and False Emperor -- i.e., have the briefings with the Imperials before and after --

 

 

 

You can point out that Malgus had some good ideas, and the Imps will say something to the effect that they'll consider them. Malgus certainly did get a lot of people to join him... so yeah.

 

 

 

I'm sure plenty of the Imperials and Sith still don't care much for aliens on a personal level, but as far as strategic advantages, at this point I imagine they'll take what they can get.

 

Yup even in the flashpoint malgus said even if he loses or wins the empire will change/be reborn.

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The Empire/Sith being racist always seemed a bit silly to me, and seems more like it was shoved in just in case we might forget they were the 'bad guys'.

 

I mean, the only reason the Dark Jedi who came to Korriban survived was by interbreeding with the Sith, you know, the alien Sith? Particularly given that humans/Sith have no particular monopoly on the use of the Dark Side.

 

It's also amusing to note that the overwhelming majority of slaves we see in game are human. :p

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The same reason they started allowing non-human/pureblood sith into the Korriban academy prior to The Old Republic starting - they need them to not get crushed by the Republic. I imagine being literally weeks away from total defeat at the start of the Makeb storyline is pretty decent motivation.
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During the events of 'Star Wars: Annihilation' the Dark Council determines that without alien allies, the Sith Empire will be doomed to lose the war. They choose to allow, Darth Karrid, a Falleen, become a member of the Dark Council.

 

This both creates and eliminates a problem. It presents the fact that before this, Darth Nox, if anything but a Human or Pureblood, would never have become a member of the Dark Council; And that the Sith Empire is desperate for any allies they can find.

 

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During the events of 'Star Wars: Annihilation' the Dark Council determines that without alien allies, the Sith Empire will be doomed to lose the war. They choose to allow, Darth Karrid, a Falleen, become a member of the Dark Council.

 

This both creates and eliminates a problem. It presents the fact that before this, Darth Nox, if anything but a Human or Pureblood, would never have become a member of the Dark Council; And that the Sith Empire is desperate for any allies they can find.

 

Tha'ts because Bioware and it's associated writers apparently are incapable of coming up with anything vaguely interesting or subtle about the conflict between Empire and Republic.

 

I mean seriously, the backstory is all about how the Empire, racist and xenophobic and all, was handily giving the Republic what for, then 10 years after a peace that was on their terms, they're magically suddenly completely incompetent and helpless and doomed, Doomed, DOOMED!!! at every turn. Unless of course they give up their evil ways. :rolleyes:

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In the First Strike series of missions on Ilum Darth Malgus fascination of using aliens to bolster the Empire finally reveals itself, so much so, he and the Moff get in an argument over this topic. The player has the choice to support either Malgus or the Moff, I consistently supported Malgus (mainly because Malgus is a war hero and looks like Sith lord should and who can support some twerp with a whiny voice).

Consider as well that some of the earlier flashpoints, Hammerstation in particular, the player has the option to convince Malgus to enlist the very aliens the party has just defeated. Fast forward to the two FP's Battle for Ilum and False Emperor and if the player supported Malgus and a less xenophobic Empire there is no reward for it, insomuch as the game does not recognize it. So if you supported on a consistent basis a less xenophobic Empire you still end on the side of the current regime, thus you fight against the very thing you support.

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I did see the Cathar quest Empire side, though if I recall that one correctly, it can go another way.

 

Haven't run Ilum on any of my 50s (4 of them, with 3 of them being Empire side) so I guess that could be it.

 

However, the Lore for the Empire has always been down with aliens for the most part, but I guess eventhe Empire can make exceptions.

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The Emperor encouraged it. He is dead and irrelevant. Most of the Dark Council is also dead or irrelevant, with the sole exception being Darth Marr, who is basically a low key version of Malgus and holds the same ideas. [doesn't care what you are as long as you get the job done]

 

So yeah it changed.

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The Emperor encouraged it. He is dead and irrelevant. Most of the Dark Council is also dead or irrelevant, with the sole exception being Darth Marr, who is basically a low key version of Malgus and holds the same ideas. [doesn't care what you are as long as you get the job done]

 

So yeah it changed.

 

This. The Empire is not static. It adapts/evolves.

Also, it was even originally made up mostly of "pureblood Sith" and humans, so aliens were kind of a major part of Sith history anyway.

 

My main character's a Chiss IA anyway, and hasn't really been hated on for being an alien because he gets the job done!

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This. The Empire is not static. It adapts/evolves.

Also, it was even originally made up mostly of "pureblood Sith" and humans, so aliens were kind of a major part of Sith history anyway.

 

My main character's a Chiss IA anyway, and hasn't really been hated on for being an alien because he gets the job done!

 

Well, aren't the Chiss and Sith the exception to the alien rule anyways? Unless of course you're a Chiss Inquisitor.

 

Though, for adapting, they seem to fall back into old ways in the future :p

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Keep in mind the empire is not evil or bad really. They are just warlike and aggressive as opposed to the Republic. The Empire just kills each other off to advance themselves and everyone else with them. The Sith are evil and use the empire. :csw_deathstar_un:
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Keep in mind the empire is not evil or bad really. They are just warlike and aggressive as opposed to the Republic. The Empire just kills each other off to advance themselves and everyone else with them. The Sith are evil and use the empire. :csw_deathstar_un:

 

A faction that is hell bent in committing mass genocide against countless races, in countless words is not evil? You serious, bro?

 

:p:D

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A faction that is hell bent in committing mass genocide against countless races, in countless words is not evil? You serious, bro?

 

:p:D

 

good or evil is both relative.You can deal with a lot of little bad things forever, or u can do big bad things at once and have no problems after that. In the long term, it's better to do all bad thing at once to prevent more problems in the future. It's the thought of Machiavelli. That genocide would be huge for sure. But after that, there would be peace in the galaxy forever.

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good or evil is both relative.You can deal with a lot of little bad things forever, or u can do big bad things at once and have no problems after that. In the long term, it's better to do all bad thing at once to prevent more problems in the future. It's the thought of Machiavelli. That genocide would be huge for sure. But after that, there would be peace in the galaxy forever.

 

Mass genocide is not relative, nor do I remember Machiavelli actually endorsing the scorched earth kind of approach. :p

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Mass genocide is not relative, nor do I remember Machiavelli actually endorsing the scorched earth kind of approach. :p

 

This. He did say that brutality had its purpose, in the right place at the right time---but genocide? Nope. An excess of brutality can be just as dangerous as being too soft.

 

I do agree, though, that there are times to negotiate for peace and times to crush terrorist elements.

If you think we're mean to the Jedi, let the Star Cabal take control of the galaxy and you'll start missing us pretty quickly. :p

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This. He did say that brutality had its purpose, in the right place at the right time---but genocide? Nope. An excess of brutality can be just as dangerous as being too soft.

 

IIRC it was part of his section on conquered territories in "The Prince" - if you fear an uprising then take out all the potential leaders in your initial invasion or soon after. The reason was that it stops the uprising, people see that you mean business and now you've done all the damage you need to do for a long time. People will get on with their lives and slowly forget it.

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IIRC it was part of his section on conquered territories in "The Prince" - if you fear an uprising then take out all the potential leaders in your initial invasion or soon after. The reason was that it stops the uprising, people see that you mean business and now you've done all the damage you need to do for a long time. People will get on with their lives and slowly forget it.

 

Yep!

 

Fair warning though that people who only read The Prince and think they understand Machiavelli are...not fully informed. I recommend the Discourses. :D

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