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Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.

(But hey, that's me talking.)

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Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.

(But hey, that's me talking.)

 

It's not just you. By a long shot.

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Well here it is.

 

1. If people actually watched the movies, you can see that Anakin is falling throughout all 3 episodes.

 

EP 1, he is scared/afraid, he doesn't want to leave his mother all by herself. Already he seems to be unsure of what is going on, and there is nothing that can be done because the jedi doesn't want him trained because his future is clouded and Yoda senses much fear in him.

 

EP 2, further elaborates on his emotions a little more. He sees visions of his mother suffering, so in following said emotions goes to try and find/rescues her, upon doing so he finds he tortured by the Sand People and he kills them all in anger. He is more mad at himself, because he wasn't able to save her this is what makes him start wanting more power for the right reasons to protect the ones that he loves and cares about. However his emotions keep going awry, and he makes rather rash decisions(such as charging at Dooku).

 

EP 3, the climax of it all when he fights Dooku he uses his emotions yet again along with his bladework to overwhelm Dooku in their duel. Now when he was at his mercy, he is conflicted with his emotions yet again and his goaded by Palpatine to kill him even though he knows it is wrong in his mind and against his jedi teachings. Fast forward, Anakin begins to have unclear visions about Padme thinking that she dies during child birth fearing this he goes and tries to find a way in how to save her. He goes to Yoda, and explains vaugely of what is going on but Yoda just replies with "let them go, mourn them do not, miss them to not. Death is a natural part of life."

 

He then goes to Palpatine who spews on about his master, and his techquine for saving people. Anakin then later finds out he is the sith lord the jedi have been hunting for, and again against his teachings because he is conflicted lets Palpatine go when he had him. Then the whole thing with Mace Windu comes about, and again he is conflicted in what to do and against his better judgement helps kill Windu by cutting off his hand because he let his love for Padme get the better of him. This then is the process that he completely falls to the darkside, and serves Palpatine as Darth Vader.

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So no, it is not just at the drop of a hat its over the course of the 3 movies. It starts out small, and works its way up to a big thing.

 

As for Jar Jar, he GREW UP by EP 2/3 he isn't the same clumsy being. He has a serious position, which he needs to be serious and mature into a full adulthood, thus the child like innocence of Jar Jar is removed completely and he becomes a mature and responsible gungan.

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But why was Anakin do easily turned to the Dark Side.

Didn't he have years of Jedi Training?

Plus, Palpatine TOLD him he was a SITH LORD!

Yet, he joined Palpatine only after he killed Windu out of pressure (which was stupid too because Windu was a Jedi who could use the Force to sense the thoughts of others, and could have Force Pused him or something, because he was second to Yoda).

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Well here it is.

 

1. If people actually watched the movies, you can see that Anakin is falling throughout all 3 episodes.

 

EP 1, he is scared/afraid, he doesn't want to leave his mother all by herself. Already he seems to be unsure of what is going on, and there is nothing that can be done because the jedi doesn't want him trained because his future is clouded and Yoda senses much fear in him.

 

EP 2, further elaborates on his emotions a little more. He sees visions of his mother suffering, so in following said emotions goes to try and find/rescues her, upon doing so he finds he tortured by the Sand People and he kills them all in anger. He is more mad at himself, because he wasn't able to save her this is what makes him start wanting more power for the right reasons to protect the ones that he loves and cares about. However his emotions keep going awry, and he makes rather rash decisions(such as charging at Dooku).

 

EP 3, the climax of it all when he fights Dooku he uses his emotions yet again along with his bladework to overwhelm Dooku in their duel. Now when he was at his mercy, he is conflicted with his emotions yet again and his goaded by Palpatine to kill him even though he knows it is wrong in his mind and against his jedi teachings. Fast forward, Anakin begins to have unclear visions about Padme thinking that she dies during child birth fearing this he goes and tries to find a way in how to save her. He goes to Yoda, and explains vaugely of what is going on but Yoda just replies with "let them go, mourn them do not, miss them to not. Death is a natural part of life."

 

He then goes to Palpatine who spews on about his master, and his techquine for saving people. Anakin then later finds out he is the sith lord the jedi have been hunting for, and again against his teachings because he is conflicted lets Palpatine go when he had him. Then the whole thing with Mace Windu comes about, and again he is conflicted in what to do and against his better judgement helps kill Windu by cutting off his hand because he let his love for Padme get the better of him. This then is the process that he completely falls to the darkside, and serves Palpatine as Darth Vader.

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So no, it is not just at the drop of a hat its over the course of the 3 movies. It starts out small, and works its way up to a big thing.

 

Personally, I didn't feel that his fall was all that abrupt. His logic for staying on the Dark Side is completely screwed up though. It doesn't help that nobody could ever speak the dialogue written by Lucas.

 

Also, I really like how the EU expanded on his fall.

scene from the Clone Wars might tell a better story of Anakin's fall then all the prequels, just because it feels more natural. Edited by Velaran
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But why was Anakin do easily turned to the Dark Side.

Didn't he have years of Jedi Training?

Plus, Palpatine TOLD him he was a SITH LORD!

Yet, he joined Palpatine only after he killed Windu out of pressure (which was stupid too because Windu was a Jedi who could use the Force to sense the thoughts of others, and could have Force Pused him or something, because he was second to Yoda).

 

He wasn't so easily turned to the darkside, it took years for that to happen. Jedi training can only do so much, they can train you and train you. But at the end of it all, its up to the individual themselves to resist the darkside. Jedi Masters have fallen to the darkside, its not something that is rare to happen to jedi.

 

Yes Palpatine told Anakin he was a sith lord, but again this is where his emotions and love for Padme come into play. He was told that Palpatine could save her, and with Windu he was battling with himself on what to do. Stay true to the jedi teachings, or save his wife? He chose to try and save his wife.

 

Windu was far too focused on Palpatine, he didn't sense Palpatine's shatterpoint was Anakin and he didn't sense that Anakin's shatterpoint was Padme and doing anything to save her.

 

Also, I really like how the EU expanded on his fall. This scene from the Clone Wars might tell a better story of Anakin's fall then all the prequels, just because it feels more natural.

 

You can't shove years of stuff to explain a fall, this is more likely why there were such long gaps in time between the movies. So the EU, can go back and explain a little better because they are not on a time crunch.

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Okay, I'm convinced, about your reasons.

But the way LucasArts portrayed it was terrible, the whole Count Dooku thing with his battle droid army seemed like a distraction.

Plus, they should have kept Darth Maul.

He was a Darth and was killed by an apprentice?

Impossible.

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Okay, I'm convinced, about your reasons.

But the way LucasArts portrayed it was terrible, the whole Count Dooku thing with his battle droid army seemed like a distraction.

Plus, they should have kept Darth Maul.

He was a Darth and was killed by an apprentice?

Impossible.

 

 

He lived.

 

In the next episode, he kills at least five children off screen, and he decapitates five helpless people on screen.

 

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Okay, I'm convinced, about your reasons.

But the way LucasArts portrayed it was terrible, the whole Count Dooku thing with his battle droid army seemed like a distraction.

Plus, they should have kept Darth Maul.

He was a Darth and was killed by an apprentice?

Impossible.

 

Thats just it, the whole war was just one big farce so Palpatine could get into power as Supreme Chancellor. Then get emergancy powers, get his apprentice, wipe out the jedi order and take over the galaxy. That was his whole plan to begin with, start a fake war.

 

As for Maul being beaten by an apprentice....thats not really true, he was beaten but not killed(see TCW). Plus by that time, Obi-Wan was pretty much a jedi knight he just hadn't yet taken the trials yet to be official.

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Darth Maul had managed to kill a Jedi Master, but not a Jedi Knight?

Really... A Dark Lord of the Sith beaten by the apprentice of the master Maul just killed.

 

He let his guard down. A rule of fighting, you NEVER let your guard down. EVER.

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The fall of Anakin is too weak of a storyline, because Revenge is the main theme of the Trilogy's, seen in the scene we first meet Darth Maul, in Episode IV where Luke seeks to avenge his father's death, and the original title for Episode VI wad, "Revenge of the Jedi" To carry that theme forward, Anakin should have sought revenge against the Jedi for the death of Padme, making a better storyline.
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The fall of Anakin is too weak of a storyline, because Revenge is the main theme of the Trilogy's, seen in the scene we first meet Darth Maul, in Episode IV where Luke seeks to avenge his father's death, and the original title for Episode VI wad, "Revenge of the Jedi" To carry that theme forward, Anakin should have sought revenge against the Jedi for the death of Padme, making a better storyline.

 

The Jedi had nothing really to do with the death of Padme. Anakin did. Anakin had a choice to leave the Sith behind when Padme came to mustafar. He didn't listen. He was more concerned at that time on power than staying with Padme. Then he got jealous because Obi-Wan came out of the ship. Instead of listening to Padme that she didn't know he was there what did he do? He choked her and most likely would have killed her if Obi-Wan hadn't told him a few times to let her go.

 

When he let her go did he go and check on her to make sure she was alright? No, Obi-Wan did. Obi-Wan showed more concerned for Padme than her husband did. Anakin is the reason Padme died not anyone else.

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Just another case of a self-fulfilling prophecy with Anakin's vision of Padme's death. It's a wonder that very few Jedi actually figured out in thousands of years that the Visions are NOT set in stone. They're a warning of what MIGHT happen. What COULD happen. Not what WILL happen. Jedi should learn this as Padawans, in fact. "If you get a vision, let someone know about it. It's a warning or caution, It is NOT GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN." If someone had said that to Anakin during his training, it might have helped a bit.

 

I agree with another poster who compared it to a Greek tragedy. Same elements in place, driven by stupidity. For the record, I would never call it a Shakespearean style tragedy, as that would be a dire insult to The Bard.

 

Although I must also add that the worst Greek tragedy was better written than the Prequels.

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No it was Anakin's fault for not listening and jumping to conclusions. If you love someone you take the time to listen to the person you love not jump to conclusions. So no it wasn't anyone else's fault but Anakin. Anakin is responsible for what happened.

 

The person that actually turned Padme away was Anakin himself. She told him before Obi-Wan stepped off her ship that she still loved him but he was going down a path she could not follow. Anakin was the one that basically pushed her away by going down the dark side.

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Well, in Episode III, how is it possible that Anakin turns to the Dark Side so easily, just because he had a dream about his wife dying(or giving birth)? Also, how can Jar Jar(who is total clutz) become a Senator, and have the authority to give Palpatine access to emergency powers? I personally think that the Prequels were rushed, and full of flaws.

(But hey, that's me talking.)

 

You do know some time passes in the film right?

 

But Anakin was already on the verge of falling. Between Ep II and III events occured that really messed him up. (and no not TCW).

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No it was Anakin's fault for not listening and jumping to conclusions. If you love someone you take the time to listen to the person you love not jump to conclusions. So no it wasn't anyone else's fault but Anakin. Anakin is responsible for what happened.

 

The person that actually turned Padme away was Anakin himself. She told him before Obi-Wan stepped off her ship that she still loved him but he was going down a path she could not follow. Anakin was the one that basically pushed her away by going down the dark side.

 

Ironic no? :p

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