So, okay, Nathema. All this Zildrog mess and we've lost our fleet and our power, we are just at the beginning of KOTFE - with nothing in our pockets. Devs says, we are returning to our old fractions and All of Zakuulian Emperor/Alliance Commander background have been nullified to dust for that sole purpose - all bridges and flags have been burned, OKAY.

 

So we are already Imps and Pubs again... Right?

Oh, NO.

No, you are still the "Commander" - that's how you called by everyone on Ossus. You are still nobody to them, you are still alien stranger. No one is asking you back, all of them treat you like a stranger from another faction which was obliterated thanks to devs.

 

So devs just nailed the transition in the most horrendous way possible - they pissed of alliancers by taking away their toys and powerbase, nullifying all they've accomplished for two exp-ns (especially this hits darksiders who've chosen to become an Emperor), yet they still show you the middle finger and don't allow you to return to your previous place ot its equivalent. I mean for all of ***-pulled plot twists that I saw in the content of last years I'm pretty damn sure the lead storywriter COULD pull a solution to find a nice place for Nox, Wrath, Barsenthor and all of others.

 

But "**** all of you" said that guy: enjoy Malgus and don't think about anything else. Everyone likes Malgus, right, I mean, it's 2012 right now!

I've not returned to this game only to become a *********** Outlander Outcast once again!

I would just time travel this mess away and go back to Ziost.

So, okay, Nathema. All this Zildrog mess and we've lost our fleet and our power, we are just at the beginning of KOTFE - with nothing in our pockets. Devs says, we are returning to our old fractions and All of Zakuulian Emperor/Alliance Commander background have been nullified to dust for that sole purpose - all bridges and flags have been burned, OKAY.

 

So we are already Imps and Pubs again... Right?

Oh, NO.

No, you are still the "Commander" - that's how you called by everyone on Ossus. You are still nobody to them, you are still alien stranger. No one is asking you back, all of them treat you like a stranger from another faction which was obliterated thanks to devs.

 

So devs just nailed the transition in the most horrendous way possible - they pissed of alliancers by taking away their toys and powerbase, nullifying all they've accomplished for two exp-ns (especially this hits darksiders who've chosen to become an Emperor), yet they still show you the middle finger and don't allow you to return to your previous place ot its equivalent. I mean for all of ***-pulled plot twists that I saw in the content of last years I'm pretty damn sure the lead storywriter COULD pull a solution to find a nice place for Nox, Wrath, Barsenthor and all of others.

 

But "**** all of you" said that guy: enjoy Malgus and don't think about anything else. Everyone likes Malgus, right, I mean, it's 2012 right now!

 

All of that is because KotFE and KotET have been a huge mistake from the start, the story of SWTOR never should have flowed into that direction. Why?

 

1. It was not a natural and logical continuation of the main narrative that was started by the class stories, RotHC and SoR.

 

2. The story pretended this was a single-player game, giving an "epic" tale (it wasn't epic at all if you ask me) with us defeating the great all-powerful villain and seating us at the top of things. That's what would have been the end of the story for a single-player game, but newsflash! This is an MMORPG, it doesn't end and has to continue. So what happened? The devs had backed themselves into a corner story wise, because if you let someone be the ruler of all and everything, there is so little you can do. What happened? We got a reset (thank the Force).

 

3. The concept of the Eternal Fleet being so infinite and powerful was ridiculous from the start and should have never had a place in SWTOR's story. It's an unbelievable and unoriginal concept that I am glad is gone for good.

 

4. KotFE and KotET removed from the story a core element that crippled the narrative severely the moment it was implemented: our characters' forced departure from our original factions. Our factions and our place within them were a core element of SWTOR's story, we had worked our entire class story to get there. What did the devs do? They nuked it, they made all our achievements in the class story worthless and forced every single class story in the same, bland, tasteless gray goo called "The Alliance Commander". No personality, no unique characteristics, nothing that sets one Commander/Outlander apart from an another. You play it on an Inquisitor, it will be exactly the same as on a Smuggler.

 

KotFEET crippled the game's story and repairing the damage that has been done is going to be hard and lengthy. In my opinion (and that of numerous of other players) they're finally going the right direction by abandoning the Alliance slowly and returning us to our factions. But even if they mend everything, there will always be a massive crack in the proverbial mirror called "KotFEET". Meaning, SWTOR's story will never be as great as it used to be before that monstrosity called KotFE was released.

i find FE and ET a chore to go through quite honestly, but if you want your own choices reflected instead of default choices assigned on Ossus? you got to endure the storyline, the alliance alerts, the heroic grind to rank 10 on alliance specialists so alliance NPCs don't complain.

 

In any event, assuming Bioware ever have the means to reach 6.0 some point this century? I'd be curious to know the fates of other characters that have gone on ignored way too long. a suitable ending would be nice.

You're confusing the game with reality.

Don't make silly threats of violence ("i'm going to burn down...."), no matter if you perceive them as light-hearted.

Silly little Sith Lord.

You're confusing the game with reality.

Don't make silly threats of violence ("i'm going to burn down...."), no matter if you perceive them as light-hearted.

Silly little Sith Lord.

I've always found so cute when Vitiate calls Lana Beniko "little Sith", awwww, can you always call me like this? :з

I just imagine Chibi Nox with his famous line "I'm not cute, I'm deadly!" when he sounds genuinely offended.

Anyway the very reason I came to this game, I still play and LOVE it, no matter how I'm butthurt about everything across this forum, no matter how often I cancel my sub (to resub again eventually) - is Sorc gameplay. You can call me a sociopath or whatever, but frying people with lightning is the coolest thing in the world and lighnting itself is the coolest and dankest magic ever. Until Bioware nerf this class even further to the bottom I'm in this boat, no matter how badly will turn out story. Though I still will be loudly butthurt about it, nonetheless. :з

 

SCREAM, WEAKLING! YOU REALLY NEED TO LEARN TO PROJECT YOUR VOICE

 

This is why I play videogames...

Edited January 17, 2019 by TGaP_Andrey

SNIP...

But "**** all of you" said that guy: enjoy Malgus and don't think about anything else. Everyone likes Malgus, right, I mean, it's 2012 right now!

 

Malgus, that washed up has been died to me in multiple ways back when the game had at least a better story. Probably why bioware showed no creative ability when they brought that joke of a character back. Hoping gamrs would remember a better time in swtor and not what is happenng right now As if Malgus was the uncreative way to go. In what is yet another terrible story move, we get agriculture and a copied and recolored planet and on old worthless villain. bioware has just been washed up mess since anything named Kot** and after with barely anything hitting a good mark.

 

The best thing we recently got was the hunt for the new datacrons. The rest was forgettable and that includes the story at the very to of that pile.

 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, the story has been half-arsed for a while. It's a good thing the original class stories still hold up because it's a shame what they have going on now.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Quraswren

I think it’s handled well tbh, much better than I anticipated. Im treated as the commander not called “outlander”. They respect me as such, my character does not bow to Malgus because I have authority as commander, I outrank him but sure lets pretend we are equal footing. Your not going to be suddenly put into the dark council or any empire stuff right away. You just got back with them. This is a prologue of you coming back, when the full story comes in you might join fully by the end of it your original faction. But right now they can’t put you right away with them when you can sabotage them. Not everyone’s characters feel like they are jedi or sith anymore so this is a way to make those characters still be their own thing.

I think it’s handled well tbh, much better than I anticipated. Im treated as the commander not called “outlander”. They respect me as such, my character does not bow to Malgus because I have authority as commander, I outrank him but sure lets pretend we are equal footing. Your not going to be suddenly put into the dark council or any empire stuff right away. You just got back with them. This is a prologue of you coming back, when the full story comes in you might join fully by the end of it your original faction. But right now they can’t put you right away with them when you can sabotage them. Not everyone’s characters feel like they are jedi or sith anymore so this is a way to make those characters still be their own thing.

Agreed.

You're confusing the game with reality.

Don't make silly threats of violence ("i'm going to burn down...."), no matter if you perceive them as light-hearted.

Silly little Sith Lord.

 

Agreed, I'd delete that line if I were you. BW lost its sense of humor over interwebz rage threats during the twitter meltdown a few years ago. You are literally threatening arson in that post, TGap.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Ardrossan

I think it’s handled well tbh, much better than I anticipated. Im treated as the commander not called “outlander”. They respect me as such, my character does not bow to Malgus because I have authority as commander, I outrank him but sure lets pretend we are equal footing. Your not going to be suddenly put into the dark council or any empire stuff right away. You just got back with them. This is a prologue of you coming back, when the full story comes in you might join fully by the end of it your original faction. But right now they can’t put you right away with them when you can sabotage them. Not everyone’s characters feel like they are jedi or sith anymore so this is a way to make those characters still be their own thing.

 

Regardless of the alliance thing, my Consular should have been addressed as Barsen’thor, especially since she was dealing with other Jedi. *That* title didn’t change just because I’m the leader of a separate faction, even if other class’s titles/positions no longer apply.

 

On another note, Vitiate calls the SI “little Sith”? SI should take extreme offense to that, as that’s Khem’s pet name for the SI

2. The story pretended this was a single-player game, giving an "epic" tale (it wasn't epic at all if you ask me) with us defeating the great all-powerful villain and seating us at the top of things.

I thought people liked the whole valkorion/arcan/vaylin thing, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that's way over that part of the story.

 

If anything, it made me feel less epic and more like a chum. All the villains have unknowable awesome powers in the force and the only way my Sith and Jedi can compete is by being idiots and giving in to the posessor spirit living in their head or obtaining a literal plot device that's never again referenced.

 

I also disliked the whole neutral force thing. They don't bother to explain it much and the only reason why it's presented is so the writing can ignore your characters affiliation towards the force. I loved early Sith Warrior light side because the story actually reacted to it, Bioware; more of that, not less!

 

I've also gotten the sense that it's unwise to criticise Lana and Theron, but can we please include the class-specific companions that have returned in the story yet? It's boring that the plot has exclusively moved through these two characters, even if it's more work I'd much prefer to have some optional roles filled by the other characters.

Why not let us pick a second in command from the old and new roster so the programming of the story can at least go in a sensible direction? It would be neat to pick your quest giver, perhaps it could be isolated to just love interests or something like that.

Edited January 18, 2019 by JuventusAndFCK

I would just time travel this mess away and go back to Ziost.

 

Since the Ziost weekly is the only content I've been doing regularly ever since up to this week, this wouldn't even make such a big difference.

They couldn't build an expansion that properly read existing story flags, breaking progress for many people. Hell, they don't have the resources to even fix a simple quest. And you are asking them to go back to writing and voicing multiple plot variations depending on each character's background?

 

KotFE/ET wasn't just an attempt to build a single player experience. It was also an effort to wipe the slate clean regarding the pesky previous class stories and myriad decisions made in them that required so much work to accommodate. It was an attempt to cut the ambitious original design of the 2011 version down to a size that's actually manageable for them now.

 

Bioware doesn't have the means or will to do anything anywhere near the scale of 1.0. EA doesn't care about silly story.

 

Everyone is the Outlander/Commander... Eternally. Sorry.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Unperson

Everyone is the Outlander/Commander... Eternally. Sorry.

*ba-dummm-tsss* Damn, you're good.

I would just time travel this mess away and go back to Ziost.

We should have combined the forces from the Revan story and taken down the immortal emperor and his children as part of a Ziost storyline with it weakening both factions. Then Jedi Under Siege happening almost right after. KOTFE/ET were wasted years, in my opinion.

I thought people liked the whole valkorion/arcan/vaylin thing,.

 

Nope, an extremely small percentage liked it enough to stick around for more. People stopped subbing and playing in huge numbers. That's the vote that truly matters.

We should have combined the forces from the Revan story and taken down the immortal emperor and his children as part of a Ziost storyline with it weakening both factions. Then Jedi Under Siege happening almost right after. KOTFE/ET were wasted years, in my opinion.

 

Yeah they should have had Valkorion win and begin his galaxy wide ritual. Then bla bla bla some super powerful entity ( maybe one of the Mortis Gods) throws us into the 'world between worlds' and places us in the throne room just before Darth Marr's death. Then 'BOOM' we save Darth Marr, we save Vaylin, we save the Republic, we save the Empire.

 

Not sure how I would handle my younger PC but I'm sure I can get them to thank me for not making them go through KOTFE/ET/FA.

 

Nope, an extremely small percentage liked it enough to stick around for more. People stopped subbing and playing in huge numbers. That's the vote that truly matters.

 

Then the boxes arrived with 5.0 and a lot more people left.

 

Since the Ziost weekly is the only content I've been doing regularly ever since up to this week, this wouldn't even make such a big difference.

 

Most of mine are sitting around that point too, I'm not going to rush them to Ossus because I'm not a fan of some of these preselected choices and I don't really think the Ossus plot is much better either.

Edited January 19, 2019 by Paulsutherland

Nope, an extremely small percentage liked it enough to stick around for more. People stopped subbing and playing in huge numbers. That's the vote that truly matters.

 

A variant on Santayana's famous phrase goes something like:

 

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

 

IMHO This should be in big friendly letters above the office in Austin TX. - And everyone should have a good old read of the forums and a look at sub numbers before even getting near a developing tool.

 

The story has come in for a lot of criticism over the last few years.... Lets hope that this new turn is one for the better. - But somehow I don't hold out much hope.

A variant on Santayana's famous phrase goes something like:

 

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

 

IMHO This should be in big friendly letters above the office in Austin TX. - And everyone should have a good old read of the forums and a look at sub numbers before even getting near a developing tool.

 

The story has come in for a lot of criticism over the last few years.... Lets hope that this new turn is one for the better. - But somehow I don't hold out much hope.

 

The 6.0 will be Battle for Azeroth kind of dumbf**kery: it will PRETEND to be a story of war between factions for a very short time until some eldritch abomination from the outer space comes to play. And all of them like "hey, we are very wise and pragmatic and smooort and full of common sense LET'S JOIN OUR FORCES ONLY FRIENDSHIP WILL BEAT THE EVUL!".

 

Of course we need to make amendments for a low budget and cheap execution of the plot. so it will be like twenty minutes of cutscenes and two hours of trash grinding with the most unoriginal boss in the end, intended to be fought in Operation where almost no one ever will come except for a couple of poor souls who seriously try to do ops in swtor of 2019.

Edited January 19, 2019 by TGaP_Andrey

A variant on Santayana's famous phrase goes something like:

 

"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

 

IMHO This should be in big friendly letters above the office in Austin TX. - And everyone should have a good old read of the forums and a look at sub numbers before even getting near a developing tool.

 

The story has come in for a lot of criticism over the last few years.... Lets hope that this new turn is one for the better. - But somehow I don't hold out much hope.

I found Ossus, while a nice world with room for exploration and heroics, to feature a very oddly paced story. I kinda feel it was a bit of a wasted opportunity not to use some of the many very similar jedi women that the different classes can have for companions in the story. Nadia, Kira, Ashara and Jaesa aren't that far apart in regards to their stances on the Jedi code and how to behave as a Jedi. Not in that, they have completely similar views, but that all of them have personalities and experiences that probably won't allow them to become great jedi masters. They are all quite passionate when it comes down to it.

 

Instead we got Tau who wasn't necessarily a bad character, but just feels like a stand in that is never replaced with a returning companion even when you play as a consular and Nadia might as well have been your companion for the story.

Also just in terms of the alliance, I feel like Jedi are oddly under represented. The story could also have been so much more interesting playing as a republican-siding Sith for this expansion.

 

I don't really know anything about the team size or resources Bioware has left to use on swtor, but I can't help but feel like it wouldn't have had to take that much more narrative ambition to make Ossus just feel a bit more grand.