Its because like it or not if your Pub Your light side if your Sith Your dark. Yes I understand you can make LS or DS choices but they really have little or no over effect on your story infact you are basicly forced into the same end result of many LS DS choices.

It comes down to a matter of how bad do you wana tick off your comps with your choices and making things harder for grinding affection.

Isn't one of the greatest weaknesses of the Dark Side the fact that they react on emotion which clouds vision? A great example of this is when Darth Malgus murdered his Twi'lek slave/lover Eleena Daru (the one who accompanied him into the Jedi Temple as seen in the opening movies for SWTOR) after the Sacking of Coruscant. Proclaiming that she, because he had feelings for her, was his greatest weakness? Coincidentally after she was spared by a Jedi.

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If emotion clouds vision,then the sith is a newly initiated and inexperienced acolyte.The best Dark Lords use emotions to fuel the dark side,which in turn fuels emotion and it goes on,but this process does not spiral out of control.An exemplary sith is not a phychopath ,he is master of his emotions,he uses and channels them,he is not slave to them.

Malgus killing Eleena Daru has nothing to do with emotions clouding judgement.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Book_of_Anger

''However, Palpatine knew anger was a two-edged sword. He therefore mentioned the importance of a fine intelligence standing watch over anger''

I dont think the dark side is stronger by any means. All i see is huge weakness that one can exploit. Arrogance, self confidence, leading to lack of perspective. In often the case when one folows exclusevly his emotions.

I think the light side of the force is stronger in the sense that gives you power without compromising who you realy are, it can take longer, but evidence sugests light always triunf over darkness. Always. It can take time, but wil always prevails. EU and G canon shows this. The will of the force as always the final word.

You cant fight city hall after all.

The main reason light side triumps as it is good vr`s evil story line and light sider have weight of number`s

it tak few light sider to be beat a dark side

They are equally powerful from star wars esoteric pov.

 

However due to the nature of the dark side and also the training regimes of dark siders its easier to find a powerful dark sider,than a powerful lightsiders.

Also dark side powers are more focused on expressing that power visibly so a very powerful sith sorcerer can overcome and defeat equal jedi master,just because jedi powers are focused in different direction.

 

Weak sith and darksiders in general can't survive the training to become full-fledged sith and die.So you don't see mediocre sith.

 

The most contributing factor is the force affinity of the given individual and also his conviction in the part of the force he uses.Not the dark side or the light side per se.

 

Also would like to point out that an exemplary Sith Lord have somewhat better knowledge of the force because they are not afraid of the light side ,they just choose not to use it or something like that.While jedi are too dogmatic to delve into all force mysteries because of fear of dark side corruption.

 

Conclusion:

It can be said that Sith delve deeper into force mysteries in general and get corrupted by it,while jedi stay save with clear conscience but restrict themselves to what they can achieve with the force.A conclusion that can be drawn is that any force user can be jedi,while only the strongest can be sith.This of course doens't mean that there aren't awesome powerful jedi,it just means that a big number of the jedi order would be too weak to become sith or survive a sith training.Also if the best of the jedi order somewhat became sith and started using all the force including the dark side to its full potency,they would become more powerful than they were while being jedi.But in the usual case that won't happen cus as said above strong conviction is needed.

Will have to disagree with the Sith not being afraid of the Dark Side, as TOR shows Sith being afraid of anything that shows "Oh hey, the lightside isn't that bad, see."

As for the question at hand, I recall SW lore being that the lightside was infact more powerful, but also much harder to stay the course. While I don't think the Jedi's rules as a group as presented in TOR makes for a very good guide to staying on the lightside, and more a guide to how to stay the mediators of warring fractions/defenders against tyranny as a full time job.

But, while Lightside is more powerful, is much harder to maintain. Darkside is easier, and while not as powerful is still very powerful.

If 100 is the top level of power. Think of Lightside as 100 and Darkside as 98. Not a big difference in power, and you can get to 98 darkside power level faster than you can get to a 98 lightside power level.

I'd also say it shaves off more than just a couple of years of training. And Sith are still "human" and having that power, they want their powerbase NOW, not wait for it. Humanoids have a tendency to want to enjoy what they can now, not wait till they're older.

Will have to disagree with the Sith not being afraid of the Dark Side, as TOR shows Sith being afraid of anything that shows "Oh hey, the lightside isn't that bad, see."

 

As for the question at hand, I recall SW lore being that the lightside was infact more powerful, but also much harder to stay the course. While I don't think the Jedi's rules as a group as presented in TOR makes for a very good guide to staying on the lightside, and more a guide to how to stay the mediators of warring fractions/defenders against tyranny as a full time job.

 

But, while Lightside is more powerful, is much harder to maintain. Darkside is easier, and while not as powerful is still very powerful.

Seems to have pretty much hit the nail on the head. The darkside tends to focus on aggressive combat training and so will produce more people who are better fighters (on average) while the light side focuses on internal mastery, meditation, etc. Initially, the lightside doesn't have a heavy focus on fighting, but eventually when that internal discipline is applied to combat training, you get very capable fighters.

Down the road, that darkside is concerned with manipulation and betrayal, and constantly watching your back. This seems to limit their growth in the end, while lightsiders can usually study in peace, and even teach other lightsiders without fear of being killed with their own techniques. So at the end of the road, there will be a few extremely powerful darksiders, but many more lightsiders who are very polished and strong.

Seems to have pretty much hit the nail on the head. The darkside tends to focus on aggressive combat training and so will produce more people who are better fighters (on average) while the light side focuses on internal mastery, meditation, etc. Initially, the lightside doesn't have a heavy focus on fighting, but eventually when that internal discipline is applied to combat training, you get very capable fighters.

 

Down the road, that darkside is concerned with manipulation and betrayal, and constantly watching your back. This seems to limit their growth in the end, while lightsiders can usually study in peace, and even teach other lightsiders without fear of being killed with their own techniques. So at the end of the road, there will be a few extremely powerful darksiders, but many more lightsiders who are very polished and strong.

No I disagree, as darksider only strong survie. Thus stronger force user would be on darkside, as they don`t get stronger the get dead. That is powerfull motivator, fear of death.

If 100 is the top level of power. Think of Lightside as 100 and Darkside as 98. Not a big difference in power, and you can get to 98 darkside power level faster than you can get to a 98 lightside power level.

Why is darkside 98?Just because its the bad guys ,and the light is the good guys?And in fiction the good must be more awesome ,always?

Best case scenario darkside ''power level'' is 98 and light side 98.5.

At 100 a sith would die cus the dark side would destroy his body,and a jedi reaches 100 when he dies.So no1 realy survives 100 to show it off.

If 100 is the top level of power. Think of Lightside as 100 and Darkside as 98. Not a big difference in power, and you can get to 98 darkside power level faster than you can get to a 98 lightside power level.

Was wondering where did you get that 100:98 ratio?

Because the good guys will always win in the end in all stories?

No I disagree, as darksider only strong survie. Thus stronger force user would be on darkside, as they don`t get stronger the get dead. That is powerfull motivator, fear of death.

Early on, yeah that's a great motivator. However, eventually that will start to wear on you. You're constantly looking out for someone to get you from behind, making it harder to focus on actually learning and improving yourself since it takes more and more effort to get better at the higher tiers of power.

Meanwhile, Jedi Masters cooperate and teach each other and their pupils, so their knowledge is shared and training won't slow down as much as it does for Sith masters and Darths.

Why is darkside 98?Just because its the bad guys ,and the light is the good guys?And in fiction the good must be more awesome ,always?

Best case scenario darkside ''power level'' is 98 and light side 98.5.

At 100 a sith would die cus the dark side would destroy his body,and a jedi reaches 100 when he dies.So no1 realy survives 100 to show it off.

Because in SW lore, it's already been said Lightside is more powerful than darkside. What was it in Episode 4 or 5 that it was said, and pretty much made canon from that?

And yes. Darkside will have awesome fighters, because for them it's do or die. This doesn't stop lightside from having awesome fighters, because as it's been shown, just because your lightside, doesn't mean you don't want to be the most kickass fighter in the galaxy (and thusly maybe upset that Master of yours for the whole pride thing )

What this does do, is limit the Sith's numbers, and if we really want to think on what it would do, it would more than likely have many more force users going to the republic before Korriban, or surviving Korriban and then betraying them for the republic, but of course, TOR can't allow that because side switching is impossible.

I wonder if anyone has ever written an essay on how post modernity has ruined the franchise?

There's a topic if a student needs to write an essay for English class. lol

^ The thing is... if light side is more powerful, it defeats the purpose of anyone going dark side, ever.

SithKoriandr please address my post, why do darksiders exist if there's not more power to be gained in dark? (since they only do it for more power)

SithKoriandr please address my post, why do darksiders exist if there's not more power to be gained in dark? (since they only do it for more power)

Because it's quicker. Even if the Light side is stronger, it takes a long time to get to that point. Meanwhile, the Dark side gives a huge boost in power right off the bat. Short-sightedness then, is the answer. Also, they just may not believe that the Light side is stronger since it can't be measured quantifiably like that.

SithKoriandr please address my post, why do darksiders exist if there's not more power to be gained in dark? (since they only do it for more power)

As someone said, it's quicker. Instant gratification. Lack of patience. Look at Anakin in the movies. He wanted the power NOW. So he gave into the dark side, because he didn't want to wait because he didn't think there was time.

And even though the game gives you the option to dismantle it (because people don't want their characters to 1) look ugly 2) be changed by how they envision them), notice how all dark siders become corrupted by the dark side? SI story shows you exactly what being all about the dark side can do to you, and you see it in Chapter 1.

And there isn't a way to stop that (that isn't a game mechanic).

Mind you, this is going by the LORE. TOR however puts game mechanics in the way of lore (like lightsabers are weak!) so in game, Lightside and Darkside are the same, and really, being neutral is the same (because it would seem players whined).

The main reason light side triumps as it is good vr`s evil story line and light sider have weight of number`s

it tak few light sider to be beat a dark side

That wasnt always the case. And light prevail all the same.

That wasnt always the case. And light prevail all the same.

It does for that reason, also in the end it good vrs evil story and all them good always win`s in the end.

Though due to amount of jedi, it takes to take sith or fallen jedi down who master it.

Would suggest they are more powerfull, in the way of dealing death and distruction.

Find one eu or canon char who was the master darkside, where one jedi took him out.

emporer palptine does not count, as he was taken out by fallen jedi.

Also darth vader took him by supprise, which was his down fall.

It does for that reason, also in the end it good vrs evil story and all them good always win`s in the end.

Though due to amount of jedi, it takes to take sith or fallen jedi down who master it.

Would suggest they are more powerfull, in the way of dealing death and distruction.

Find one eu or canon char who was the master darkside, where one jedi took him out.

emporer palptine does not count, as he was taken out by fallen jedi.

Also darth vader took him by supprise, which was his down fall.

Kenobi beat Anakin in one on one.

Kenobi beat Maul in one on one (though I'm sure someone will say Qui Gon tired Maul out )

Anakin beat Darth Forgot His Name as Senator Palpatine watched in one on one (and Anakin hadn't fallen yet).

Vader beat Kenobi on the death star, but Kenobi not only gave up and basically threw the fight, but was old and basically hadn't fought in years.

Luke beat Vader on the second death star before he stopped just before the kill shot.

Windu was beating Palpatine before Anakin showed up.

Where exactly is all this "Sith beat Jedi's, unless Jedi's use more numbers?"

I'd say it's much more, Sith make everyone a fighter. Jedi not only have fighters, but scholars with some decent fighting skills. Not on par with a fighting focused Jedi/Sith, but enough to take on a battalion of troopers.

As individual, the Dark Side is stronger, the Dark Side allow you to use all the aggressive moves such as Force Crush, Force Lightning and Force Crush, the Light Side allow to use choke and crush sometimes but it's very limited.

And Dark Sider's first goal is to increase their own power and could use all the immoral methods, Light Sider put quite a few things before that and certainly no immoral methods to increase the power.

Not sure about Sadow's time, I don't think any Jedi was stronger than him.

Exar Kun is stronger than any Jedi in that time, that plant master could not move after turned into a tree.

Sith Emperor is also more powerful than KOTOR1 and 2's individuals. The Exile could beat Nihilus only because she's special agiainst Nihilus's ability.

Sidious is more powerful than any PT Jedi in that time, he staged the fight against Windu and in the novel blasted Yoda off.

Kenobi beat Anakin in one on one.

That's due to Anakin had not been able to master the Dark Side yet. In OT Vader cut Obi Wan down.

Kenobi beat Maul in one on one (though I'm sure someone will say Qui Gon tired Maul out )

Maul was caught off guard, before that the padawan Obi Wan was no way close to him.

Anakin beat Darth Forgot His Name as Senator Palpatine watched in one on one (and Anakin hadn't fallen yet).

Read the novel, Anakin won because Dooku spent too much energy on Obi Wan, and Anakin was using his fury and anger, which is the Dark Side to beat Dooku.

Vader beat Kenobi on the death star, but Kenobi not only gave up and basically threw the fight, but was old and basically hadn't fought in years.

Dooku was older in PT but he still owned Obi Wan.

Luke beat Vader on the second death star before he stopped just before the kill shot.

That's similar to Anakin VS Dooku, anger and hate brought Luke such power, he was very close to totally fall to the Dark Side.

Windu was beating Palpatine before Anakin showed up.

Sidious staged that fight.

Actually both Anakin VS Dooku and Luke VS Vader's case showed the power of the Dark Side.

That's due to Anakin had not been able to master the Dark Side yet. In OT Vader cut Obi Wan down.

 

 

 

Maul was caught off guard, before that the padawan Obi Wan was no way close to him.

 

 

 

Read the novel, Anakin won because Dooku spent too much energy on Obi Wan, and Anakin was using his fury and anger, which is the Dark Side to beat Dooku.

 

 

 

Dooku was older in PT but he still owned Obi Wan.

 

 

 

That's similar to Anakin VS Dooku, anger and hate brought Luke such power, he was very close to totally fall to the Dark Side.

 

 

 

Sidious staged that fight.

 

Actually both Anakin VS Dooku and Luke VS Vader's case showed the power of the Dark Side.

Staged that fight? Windu had him beat.

As for Luke and Anakin using anger and hate, true, but their opponents were still way more powerful in the dark side. So light sider (which Luke was) who did a dark side action, beat the dark side 5 Vader.

Because in SW lore, it's already been said Lightside is more powerful than darkside. What was it in Episode 4 or 5 that it was said, and pretty much made canon from that?

In Empire Strikes Back,Yoda says that the dark side isn't more power powerful.He didn't say the light side is more powerful.Also i wouldn't take a jedi's opinion of the dark side for granted.

I don't think it was oficially stated by some1, Lucas included,but i may be wrong- that the light side is officially more powerful.

If anywhere,anytime it was said that the light is more powerful it is surely influenced by media and popular pressure.The good must always win in fiction.

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*The light side is not more powerful than the dark side.*

Staged that fight? Windu had him beat.

 

As for Luke and Anakin using anger and hate, true, but their opponents were still way more powerful in the dark side. So light sider (which Luke was) who did a dark side action, beat the dark side 5 Vader.

Yeah, he was luring Anakin to the Dark Side.

No, Dooku and Vader master the Dark Side better, but Anakin and Luke got more potential and the outburst gave them huge power, in the book Dooku was able to stop Anakin's rampage but Sidious helped Anakin to master his anger.

IMO neither side of the Force is greater than the other. They are simply two sides, polar opposites of each other.

There are merely DANGEROUS PEOPLE who use those sides of the Force to it's maximum potential.

Is good greater than evil? No. Cause without evil what is good?

So no, neither side is greater than the other gamewise or lorewise. Instead there are just powerful PEOPLE.