The Great British Empire was the modern era version of the Sith Empire in my opinion! They had it all: shrewd diplomats and manipulators, tactical and somewhat ruthless generals, a massive fleet and obviously an imperialistic nature. Not trying to glorify it or anything!

maybe Rome too

You are mistaken, now as a Sith, he would be awesome.

Go read up on some history.

Go read up on some history.

I did.

I think actually a few of these 'candidates' would be better off as "Mandalore" leader of the Mandalorians then as either jedi or sith.

Absolutely.

I did.

Then you must be really ignorant....

Then you must be really ignorant....

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

How about Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden for the Jedi? Strong tactical and strategic mind, came to the defense of those who called upon him (the Protestant Danes [and Bohemians, by extension]) during the 30 Years' War, well versed in the arts. Basically a renaissance man and a daring warrior king.

Stalin is the penultimate Sith, I think. As the embodiment of Machiavellian principles he is one of the more shrewdly, cruelly, and insanely manipulative leaders of modern times.

As to the Saladin/Richard II/William Wallace/Brutal people for a "good cause", You could successfully label them as either Jedi or Sith depending on your personal perspective on the issue at hand (Crusades, etc.). Just as in this game, there are characters on both sides who will go to almost any length to defend their beliefs. None of them relish cruelty for cruelty's sake--something characteristic of the most maniacal Sith. Honestly they're probably somewhere on the gray spectrum, whichever side they belong to.

I think very small % of the people mentioned in this thread qualify for sith or jedi.Just because you like certain historical person,doesn't mean anything.More than half of the people mentioned are nothing like jedi or sith.Just normal human beings.And others are more like grey jedi or something like that.

William Walace,Lionheart,Saladin,Churchil and the like are nothing like either jedi or sith OR grey jedi,are you kidding me... Such people imo just don't qualify at all.

Saladin - Glorious Jedi. Far ahead of his time, was a superb commander and went beyond the brutalities of the time and valued human life greatly regardless of religion.

 

Hitler (obviously) a great sith lord. Or Grand Moff, whatever

 

Hector the Horsetamer - a great Jedi as well. He was just and righteous and a great combatant.

Saladin killed a lot of people and sold many into slavery. When he took Jerusalem he let some Christians go but they had to play for their freedom the ones that could not were killed or sold into slavery. Healso asssintenated a man named shawar. He would have been a sith for sure.

Saladin killed a lot of people and sold many into slavery. When he took Jerusalem he let some Christians go but they had to play for their freedom the ones that could not were killed or sold into slavery. Healso asssintenated a man named shawar. He would have been a sith for sure.

You need to revise your sources. When you speak of slaves, do you mean the crusaders who aided Renauld de Chatillone in pillaging, looting and killing innocents? Cause they died and were sold into slavery as a means of revenge and rightfully so. Derp. And when you talk of the siege of Jerusalem, then yes, the Christians had to pay. This was the middle-ages and it was war. One would remind you of what happened when the Crusaders took the same city? They had all muslims and jews slaugthered. Derp again. You also speak of Shawar, you mean the ruler of Cairo who kept switching allegiances and therefor finally were executed by Saladin's uncle , after the man burned down his own city? Derp'd ya for the last time.

Sure, he was no saint. This was war, after all. But if you compare him to the Crusaders or any other leaders of the time, he was a hell of a lot better. Jeez, what's with all the hate....

Saladin is praised by pretty much everyone - modern historians and rivals of his own era (Richard Lionheart) alike - for his extraorinary level of knighhood, kindness, chivalry and tactical mastery. If this isn't Jedi traits, I don't know what is.

I think very small % of the people mentioned in this thread qualify for sith or jedi.Just because you like certain historical person,doesn't mean anything.More than half of the people mentioned are nothing like jedi or sith.Just normal human beings.And others are more like grey jedi or something like that.

 

William Walace,Lionheart,Saladin,Churchil and the like are nothing like either jedi or sith OR grey jedi,are you kidding me... Such people imo just don't qualify at all.

You're likely right. Most of the people here wouldn't have made very good Jedi... the truth is is that hardly anyone in reality is anything near the emotionless qualities of a Jedi. But let's put total realisticness aside and continue thinking up some historical heros/villains that could have potentially made good Jedi/Sith.

Sure, he was no saint. This was war, after all. But if you compare him to the Crusaders or any other leaders of the time, he was a hell of a lot better. Jeez, what's with all the hate.... .

It's not about hate, I respect the dude, it's just that him, and many other supposed heroes (no matter their affiliation) are no Jedi material.

It's not about hate, I respect the dude, it's just that him, and many other supposed heroes (no matter their affiliation) are no Jedi material.

Yeah, that's true Someone mentioned they were more like Mandalore the Ultimate, and they were right in that imo!

caius julius caesar (he was so damn epic,he is my hero) would be THE dark lord,he conquered the Gallia (he even starved to death a whole village) and managed to gain Rome even against great odds,his power hunger and stregth would make him a great sith but he would still work for the best for his people.

look at how sithy he looks:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_umhSvWEgx2c/SzOCxrCktfI/AAAAAAAABxY/d3ft6cF7wV4/s400/Caesar.jpg

Yeah, that's true Someone mentioned they were more like Mandalore the Ultimate, and they were right in that imo!

Mandalore Saladin, now that one would have won the Mandalorian War.

If you look over the fact that they were founded by crusaders, the Knight Templars and other monastic military orders were the Jedi material you are looking for. They swore vows of poverty, chastity, piety, and obedience. So we've got poeple:

-who form an order

-who try to protect others (the Templars were founded to protect pilgrims)

-who fight in wars

-who put a strong emphasis on spirituality and live a monastic life

-have high ideals

= knight-monks like the Jedi

The same is true for the Shaolin monks and other warrior monks.

The Shaolin Monastery is more like the Jedi Order than the Knight Templars.As far as teachings - both spiritual and physical goes.And using them in practice.At that last part the Knight Templars failed badly.

-pacifist warrior monks

-while fighting and training they are in a meditative state

-use ''the light side of the force''(chi) to achieve super human feats like breaking rocks,walls,ect with hands

-the process of training is a meditation in itself,used to achieve goals as they are described in buddhism

(remember Freedon Nadd's master- how she was training lightsaber combat)

-their world view and philosophy

-ect...

Can't see how being a crusader is Jedi-like. It's more towards the Sith ends. They invaded and killed thousands. Yeah, the Sarracens weren't any better (for some parts), but at least Saladin didn't kill others because they believed in something else which his counterpart did. The crusaders are arguably like modern day Al-Qaeda to the western world.

same sense as the others.

Your referring to myths not facts, Saladin's armies slaughtered thousands and it was holy war. The Crusades started in response to an Islamic war of conquest that spanned 5000 miles as far as Spain (started 1 year after muhammed's death well before Saladins time). Saladin then rose in response to them and when he retook Jerusalem the only reason Saladin spared the citizens was because they were of greater value to him alive, not for some moral reason, read his own journal to see this. He was disgruntled when talked out of slaughtering them, but history favours the winners and he was happy to let people believe he took the moral high ground. Richard then rose for the third crusade, got to the gates of Jerusalem and decided enough was enough and his armies withdrew. He and Saladin then agreeing on peace.

Both were great military commanders, genius', they were obsessed with each other and both would have made the greatest of Sith Lords. Both would have made great Jedi as well though, if you read much more of their

(and others) journals, and taking into account the age in which they lived.

EDIT: Also The Knights Templar were an order created to defend pilgrims travelling to the holy land, they are one of the major influences for the Jedi ideal.

The Great British Empire was the modern era version of the Sith Empire in my opinion! They had it all: shrewd diplomats and manipulators, tactical and somewhat ruthless generals, a massive fleet and obviously an imperialistic nature. Not trying to glorify it or anything!

Very true, but even better the Britsh Empire won the Battle of Endor (Trafalgar) a pivotal battle which decided who would dominate the world for centuries after!

Sun Tzu - Jedi Knigt (Battle Meditation)

Mother Teresa - Consular Healer

Jedi - no one, no true historical leader ever was even close to be a jedi

Sith - every person mentioned before and those leaders/non leader known historical people unmetioned