It's worth noting that as far as Lucas himself is concerned, the Sith apparently only started with the New Sith Wars that ended with the Rule of Two. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clone Wars goes with that timeline and establishes Moriband as the planet where Darth Ruin officially declared his rebellion against the Jedi. That way the statement of Moriband being the homeworld of the Sith would be true from the G-Canon point of view, and all the Sith history from the Old Republic era would still go untouched.

It's worth noting that as far as Lucas himself is concerned, the Sith apparently only started with the New Sith Wars that ended with the Rule of Two. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clone Wars goes with that timeline and establishes Moriband as the planet where Darth Ruin officially declared his rebellion against the Jedi. That way the statement of Moriband being the homeworld of the Sith would be true from the G-Canon point of view, and all the Sith history from the Old Republic era would still go untouched.

 

Except that we already had a force ghost of Revan in TCW >.>

Except that we already had a force ghost of Revan in TCW >.>

 

It's a deleted scene, making it non-canon. Just like Shaak Ti's many deaths in Episode III

But the origin of which Sith ?

It's a deleted scene, making it non-canon. Just like Shaak Ti's many deaths in Episode III

 

Huh, I actually forgot that for some reason. Nevermind then.

Yeah I don't think you get the issue here, like, at all. Ziost and Kaas has never been considered to be THE Sith homeworld, simply Sith worlds steeped in the dark side and a part of the first Empire. Korriban is the actual birth place, this has never been in question. Show me a source that says otherwise.

 

You can't, because there isn't one.

 

And second, no one has said ANYTHING about how TOR is connected to the TCW, so I have no idea whatsoever what your first paragraph is about.

 

The *actual* problem here is, that if they all of a sudden pull a new Sith homeworld out from thin air, it goes against *everything* that has ever been written about the Sith origins. If it's just another Sith world, like Kaas or Ziost then there is no problem.

 

You have no idea who the hell you are talking to. I DO know what Korriban is. I DO know what Ziost and Kaas are. I DO know they were considered as HOME Worlds at some point. Moriband will not be THE home as Korriban is referred to. It will be considered the home of A Sith empire, but not the original. You assume I am some kind of idiot the way you replied to me. You presume wrong. Show me where I said Dk or Ziost were THE home-world/birthplace of the Sith. Go ahead, show me, I'll wait. Oh, that's right, you can't. I NEVER SAID THEY WERE! Nice try though.

 

As far as my first paragraph is concerned, someone was worried about this game's story becoming obsolete over this. What I said was in reply to that person's concern. Maybe if you actually read the entire thread instead of just the first post you would have an actual clue.

 

In conclusion, there will be no problem with them creating a new Sith Home world as they will not retconn Korriban out. They will instead, like Ziost, consider Moriband the home of a different Empire all together. I have no problem with that. People are over-reacting to news they have no information about at the moment. And you need to stop assuming people don't know what is going on. Makes you look like a moron.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Kilikaa

You have no idea who the hell you are talking to.

LMFAO and i have no intererest in finding out it seems. Off to the ignore list with you. Edited January 31, 2014 by Jandi

so has anyone gone over to the German section of the forms and asked what Korriban is to them?

 

Maybe the germans call Korriban something else because Korriban means some horrid swear word in German?

Korriban is Korriban, even in Germany...

so has anyone gone over to the German section of the forms and asked what Korriban is to them?

 

Maybe the germans call Korriban something else because Korriban means some horrid swear word in German?

 

Not till now, but from this day on I will dedicate myself to this. When I accomplished my goal, it will make sense and every german will shiver in fear before this word: Korriban.

EDIT: According to the preview for Clone Wars season 6:

Please no.

So he's going to mess up Tython too? Or should that be "Mython". Oh nice.

 

This arc better me good.

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A lot of people seem to think this might be a new Sith World, but I'm not sure. The concept art for "Moriband" looks just like Korriban. I dread to think what the fall out for this will be for EU lore as a whole.

 

Why can't he just go to Korriban!

Annnd this is why I never respected the clowns behind TCW. They continued to do these things for no reason. The more I hear about the changes, the more I feel Star Wars is digging it's own grave. The new movies may very well be the final nail for Star Wars. What a shame. They don't bother to hire people that have knowledge/respect for the vast universe of Star Wars.

I fail to see why a sub-par TV series is allowed to trample everything and everyone that has come before and just change the name... for no reason at all.

 

I mean, seriously... I'm at a loss for words.

I fail to see why a sub-par TV series is allowed to trample everything and everyone that has come before and just change the name... for no reason at all.

 

I mean, seriously... I'm at a loss for words.

 

We still do not know if Moriband is even referring to Korriban or is a totally different planet that is considered hom to a different Sith Empire. Korriban was THE birthplace/home-world of the Sith but not the only planet to be called the home-world. We need to learn more before all this doom and gloom talk starts.

 

And TCW is a great show and can change things in the EU because, according to the old hierarchy system, it was a higher level of canon. The only things it could not supersede were the original six films.

Edited January 31, 2014 by Kilikaa

We still do not know if Moriband is even referring to Korriban or is a totally different planet that is considered hom to a different Sith Empire. Korriban was THE birthplace/home-world of the Sith but not the only planet to be called the home-world. We need to learn more before all this doom and gloom talk starts.

 

And TCW is a great show and can change things in the EU because, according to the old hierarchy system, it was a higher level of canon. The only things it could not supersede were the original six films. Everyone needs to calm down and wait for official word.

If its not Korriban then its an exact replica.

 

Really I hope this is all just a big misunderstanding, Korriban is my favourite planet and I'd hate to see it replaced or degraded. And I can just imagine that this arc is going to go plodding about punching plot holes everywhere.

 

God knows what they have in store for Tython...

Edited January 31, 2014 by Beniboybling

If its not Korriban then its an exact replica.

 

Really I hope this is all just a big misunderstanding, Korriban is my favourite planet and I'd hate to see it replaced or degraded. And I can just imagine that this arc is going to go plodding about punching plot holes everywhere.

 

God knows what they have in store for Tython...

 

Push comes to shove (and as long as they don't do any more extreme retconning in the actual episode like having the Sith species be shown as 12-foot tall blue-skinned aliens with four arms) the Story Team can just work around it the way they did around the Calamari/Dac/Mon Calamari naming confusion or with Imperial Center/Coruscant, or Hutta/Nal Hutta: different names for the same planet that were used by different people or at different times.

 

Now, whether or not Ryloth is tidally locked... that's a bit harder to reconcile.

Yeah I don't think you get the issue here, like, at all. Ziost and Kaas has never been considered to be THE Sith homeworld, simply Sith worlds steeped in the dark side and a part of the first Empire. Korriban is the actual birth place, this has never been in question. Show me a source that says otherwise.

 

You can't, because there isn't one....

 

It is posts like this that bring a smile to the internet gods. Such information is so very easy to source.

 

Dromund Kaas is stated by the novel's omnipotent narrator actually as being more than a mere homeworld in The Old Republic: Revan novel: "The decisive actions of the Emperor had saved them. He had led the remaining Sith into the unexplored regions of the galaxy, a decades-long flight that ended only when they rediscovered and reclaimed Dromund Kaas, their long-lost ancestral home." (Pgs. 127-128). Interesting in that this passage comes not as a quote by either Scourge or Nyriss in their conversation, but as background to inform us -- the reader. There's no reason to suggest this third-person omnipotent narrator is lying to us (for whatever reason).

 

Ziost, of course also has a storied past. In Dark Horse Comics' original "Tales of the Jedi" series, particularly the Sith origin" series "Golden Age of the Sith," Korriban is merely a rock ("mind the Sith") whereas Ziost is defined as: "central world of the Sith Lords... a neutral planet where the descendents of powerful, exiled Jedi can conduct the business of an empire." If Ziost is the (new) home of the exiled Jedi and their descendants, It can be said that Ziost then is the "homeworld' of the Dark Jedi half -- the exiles -- who merged with the Sith species to become what is generally known as "the Sith" of this game and later. In this regard, if Ziost. not Korriban, became the Dark Jedi's new homeworld after being exiled by the Jedi, it does hold a claim to the title "homeworld of the Sith." In this regard, there would be two homeworlds, one for the Sith species and one for the non-Sith exiled Jedi; the two combined became "the Sith."

It is posts like this that bring a smile to the internet gods. Such information is so very easy to source.

 

Dromund Kaas is stated by the novel's omnipotent narrator actually as being more than a mere homeworld in The Old Republic: Revan novel: "The decisive actions of the Emperor had saved them. He had led the remaining Sith into the unexplored regions of the galaxy, a decades-long flight that ended only when they rediscovered and reclaimed Dromund Kaas, their long-lost ancestral home." (Pgs. 127-128). Interesting in that this passage comes not as a quote by either Scourge or Nyriss in their conversation, but as background to inform us -- the reader. There's no reason to suggest this third-person omnipotent narrator is lying to us (for whatever reason).

 

Ok, this is what Drew has to say about it himself.

 

Thaknks for the e-mail; glad you enjoyed Revan.

 

I think it's fine to see the Emperor as co-opting Dromund Kaas to fit hsi needs and rechristening it as the "true" homeworld just so his followers would buy into what he was selling.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Drew

 

So uhh, yeah, try again?

 

Ziost, of course also has a storied past. In Dark Horse Comics' original "Tales of the Jedi" series, particularly the Sith origin" series "Golden Age of the Sith," Korriban is merely a rock ("mind the Sith") whereas Ziost is defined as: "central world of the Sith Lords... a neutral planet where the descendents of powerful, exiled Jedi can conduct the business of an empire." If Ziost is the (new) home of the exiled Jedi and their descendants, It can be said that Ziost then is the "homeworld' of the Dark Jedi half -- the exiles -- who merged with the Sith species to become what is generally known as "the Sith" of this game and later. In this regard, if Ziost. not Korriban, became the Dark Jedi's new homeworld after being exiled by the Jedi, it does hold a claim to the title "homeworld of the Sith." In this regard, there would be two homeworlds, one for the Sith species and one for the non-Sith exiled Jedi; the two combined became "the Sith."

 

This is a quote from Wookieepedia.

 

You missed one important point. The Sith relocated to Ziost well before the arrival of the Dark Jedi. Korriban's ecosystem was devastated during a battle with the Rakata millennia earlier. As a result, the power base of the Sith was moved to Ziost, while Korriban remained a holy site. Most of this comes from The Essential Atlas and the Evil Never Dies article,

 

We are *not* talking about the Sith species, we are talking about the society and traditions that spawned from the dark Jedi founding the Sith.

It is posts like this that bring a smile to the internet gods. Such information is so very easy to source.

 

Dromund Kaas is stated by the novel's omnipotent narrator actually as being more than a mere homeworld in The Old Republic: Revan novel: "The decisive actions of the Emperor had saved them. He had led the remaining Sith into the unexplored regions of the galaxy, a decades-long flight that ended only when they rediscovered and reclaimed Dromund Kaas, their long-lost ancestral home." (Pgs. 127-128). Interesting in that this passage comes not as a quote by either Scourge or Nyriss in their conversation, but as background to inform us -- the reader. There's no reason to suggest this third-person omnipotent narrator is lying to us (for whatever reason).

 

Drew K. uses what's called the Third-Person Limited Narration, as opposed to Third-Person Omniscient.

 

Even when the narrative isn't put in quotes (or italics for internal thoughts), the point of view is still limited to a specific focus character; in Revan the focus character shifts chapter-to-chapter between Scourge, Revan, and the Exile (and I think there's at least one Bastila chapter, can't remember if there's a Canderous one too).

 

When we're in the Scourge chapters, the narrator is relating the story as Scourge is experiencing it - including background knowledge as Scourge understands it - so DK is described only in terms of Scourge's (potentially flawed) understanding, even though it's still written in the Third Person "voice". It's the same as how the Narrator doesn't refer to Veela as Canderous's (ex?)wife until after Revan finds out about that relationship, if Revan doesn't know something, then the Narrator doesn't know it (in a Revan chapter at least).

 

It's a style that's been used by authors from James Joyce to JK Rowling, although different authors may vary in how "strictly" they limit the viewpoint. I'm pretty sure in your example, Drew was specifically giving the "history" of the planet as Scourge believed it to be true.

If its not Korriban then its an exact replica.

 

That picture sure looks like the Korriban we know, BUT changing a planet that played such a big part in the history of SW just because they can?

 

That would be just stupid, like saying zabrak and rattataki are suddenly dathomiran.

 

Wait a minute . . .

That picture sure looks like the Korriban we know, BUT changing a planet that played such a big part in the history of SW just because they can?

 

That would be just stupid, like saying zabrak and rattataki are suddenly dathomiran.

 

Wait a minute . . .

Well I was never to miffed about that, because it actually added something considerable to the series, as have other retcons like the New Mandalorians. But I fail to see what can be gained from creating an entirely new Sith World that looks exactly the same as the last, far better to build upon and tap into existing lore.

Well I was never to miffed about that, because it actually added something considerable to the series, as have other retcons like the New Mandalorians. But I fail to see what can be gained from creating an entirely new Sith World that looks exactly the same as the last, far better to build upon and tap into existing lore.

 

Aside the horrible things they did to Darth Maul (just my opinion), the clone wars is much too reckless with stuff like retcons. Nothing screams "I don´t care what was said yesterday" like a retcon and this is particularly dangerous for a several decades old franchise. Personally I don´t care much about TCW, but it establishs lore that will possibly hunt us.

 

I am pretty pessimistic about this, but I hope they know what they are doing.

Aside the horrible things they did to Darth Maul (just my opinion), the clone wars is much too reckless with stuff like retcons. Nothing screams "I don´t care what was said yesterday" like a retcon and this is particularly dangerous for a several decades old franchise. Personally I don´t care much about TCW, but it establishs lore that will possibly hunt us.

 

I am pretty pessimistic about this, but I hope they know what they are doing.

Transforming Maul is a strong and memorable character doesn't seem horrible to me...

 

Anyway I feel when the Clone Wars makes retcons, they make improvements, and always makes an effort to make it as succinct as possible. But in this case I am deeply confused as to where they are going with this...

Is it possible that, after the Ruusan Reclamation (I believe it was called that) the Jedi Order attempted to hide Korriban, going so far as to remove all referances of it from their archives and renaming it over the next thousand years?Would they be so worried about the rise of another Sith Empire that they would go that far to wipe the history books of such a planet's existence?

 

Maybe this arc will lead to the "rediscovery" of Korriban. We'll just have to wait and see I guess. This may be too much to hope for, but it could be possible, couldn't it?