sithlordcip Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Judging by his lightsaber skills? In Return of the Jedi, when he fights Vader on the death star he moves so slow and he sucks dueling. He cant be compared to Vader on Mustafar when Vader fought Obi Wan /discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfishback Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 trollololololololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Your comparing a movie from the 80s to a movie that came out in 05, big time gap where movie effects could be used. But no hes not, he goes onto be the most powerful jedi ever after ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noczod Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yeah and if you read the books he ends up being a very powerful swordsmen, plus he did beat Vader who was the only one who came close to beating Yoda who was supposed to be the best swordsmen in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yeah and if you read the books he ends up being a very powerful swordsmen, plus he did beat Vader who was the only one who came close to beating Yoda who was supposed to be the best swordsmen in the universe. Vader never fought Yoda..? And Yoda wasn't the best swordsmen in the universe. IMO Mace Windu was the best sWORDSMEN there was Pre-ABY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithlordcip Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Lightsaber skill: Yoda = Sidious Obi Wan > Vader > Luke methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadLone Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Just taking the movie aspect out of it, events of ROTJ takes place 23 years after the fight on Mustafar. Vader has been a practicing Sith all that time. Prior to that he was training as a Jedi from the age of 8 or 10. The events of ROTJ takes place 1 year after Empire (although the novelization gives the time period as six months), so that is how long Luke has been studying, on his own, since leaving Yoda to save Han. So, cut the kid some slack eh? Edited January 23, 2012 by HadLone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haajib Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 for starters the saber combat in the last movie was not directed by a martial art master, nor did they train 6 hours every day to learn the exact move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maruset Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 As I recall from...somewhere, lightsabers were originally intended to be very heavy, unwieldy weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noczod Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Anikin did fight yoda, Obi wan talks about it in AOTC, Anikin though he beat yoda and obi wan told him "only in your mind young one" And yoda was said to be the best swordsmen in the universe, and Mace was prolly a close 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Just taking the movie aspect out of it, events of ROTJ takes place 23 years after the fight on Mustafar. Vader has been a practicing Sith all that time. Prior to that he was training as a Jedi from the age of 8 or 10. The events of ROTJ takes place 1 year after Empire (although the novelization gives the time period as six months), so that is how long Luke has been studying, on his own, since leaving Yoda to save Han. So, cut the kid some slack eh? Well his training started in ANH, continued into ESB and was finished in ROTJ so thats 4 years total of training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koronii Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 As I recall from...somewhere, lightsabers were originally intended to be very heavy, unwieldy weapons. They weren't intended to be, they just came out that way because the props were heavy metal poles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadLone Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Well his training started in ANH, continued into ESB and was finished in ROTJ so thats 4 years total of training. I suppose you could count that, although the only training Luke had with Obi-Wan was on the Falcon between Tatooine and Alderaan. It still doesn't compare to the amount of training Vader had. That definitely invalidates the subject line to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Anikin did fight yoda, Obi wan talks about it in AOTC, Anikin though he beat yoda and obi wan told him "only in your mind young one" And yoda was said to be the best swordsmen in the universe, and Mace was prolly a close 2nd. He said he was a better swordsmen, but he never spars with Yoda. And Yoda is not the best swordsmen in the universe, where did you get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS_Romer Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Well his training started in ANH, continued into ESB and was finished in ROTJ so thats 4 years total of training. His training under Obi-Wan only goes as far as that initial lesson on the Falcon. He then has 3 years is it where he's training on his own. Logically, he can't have been on Degobah for that long when he leaves. However long he gets with Yoda and then another 6months to a year on his own. That's actually always been my biggest issue with the original trilogy. Luke seems to advance way to fast and with limited training. With zero lightsabre to lightsabre training he manages to hold his own against Vader and then a year later, defeat him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadecounty Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Lightsaber skill: Yoda = Sidious Obi Wan > Vader > Luke methinks I'm pretty sure Vader was > Obi-Wan, but he loses because of his arrogance. That and Obi's defensive style allowed him to prolong the fight when Anakin had the upper hand several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Rotj Luke would be beaten by any incarnation of Anakin Skywalker, against Vader he stands no chance, Vader never fought Luke full on, if he did, he'd have been dead on Cloud City, the whole point of that duel was to bait him and turn him. Grand Master Luke would easily defeat anyone else in the EU (But Abeloth). Oh and Anakin Skywalker was never as skilled as Yoda in duelling, that quote "If you spent as much time on your training as you do on piloting, you'd rival Master Yoda as a swordsman." was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elissan Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure Vader was > Obi-Wan, but he loses because of his arrogance. That and Obi's defensive style allowed him to prolong the fight when Anakin had the upper hand several times. And i'm pretty sure Obi-Wan > Vader. All aspects. lightsaber skill, force power. And Luck become more powerfull than both, after Troj Lightsaber skill: Mace windu > Sidious = Yoda. Forcepower: Sidious = Yoda > Mace windu Edited January 24, 2012 by Elissan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) And i'm pretty sure Obi-Wan > Vader. All aspects. lightsaber skill, force power. From all the sources we have it seems that Vader really was dominating the duel: The RotS novel states they were equal blade to blade, countering each others moves, but when you think about it, this is only true to an extent, Vader knows Obi-Wan's Soresu like it was his own style, the same was true for Obi-Wan where Anakin's Djem-So was concerned but not Vader's far more aggressive version of it. So there is one advantage. If we take Nick Gillard's comments as meaning anything than before Anakin's becoming Vader then Anakin was a 7 and Obi-wan an 8, but when Anakin became Vader, the Dark Side gave him the edge in power, becoming a 9, but as we know that came with consequences, in that he hadn't fully mastered and honed his new power and it made him over-confident. In my opinion, due to this, Vader was dominating the duel and Obi-Wan barely survived in thanks to his un-matched proficiency with Soresu. Edited January 24, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaxem Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Judging by his lightsaber skills? In Return of the Jedi, when he fights Vader on the death star he moves so slow and he sucks dueling. He cant be compared to Vader on Mustafar when Vader fought Obi Wan /discuss i totally agree in the movies he sucked at fighting especially in ROTJ but i heard in the books he becomes really strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeStrike Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) The fights were so simple because of the time the movies were made....obviously. I actually prefer them to the ballet in the prequels. Also the original fights had meaning to each one more than just some fight to the death. Lets not forget that Luke got thought the basics before having to train himself. Its not the same as having a healthy teacher, strong in the force or not. Edited January 24, 2012 by BladeStrike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patzn Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 The fights in the old movies had a symbolic meaning and werent about how fancy they look. Thats why today we need 3D cinemas. Priorities change. Sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undeadsithdread Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Judging by his lightsaber skills? In Return of the Jedi, when he fights Vader on the death star he moves so slow and he sucks dueling. He cant be compared to Vader on Mustafar when Vader fought Obi Wan /discuss LOL! trollol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noczod Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 He said he was a better swordsmen, but he never spars with Yoda. And Yoda is not the best swordsmen in the universe, where did you get that? HAve you ever watch ep.2 attack of the clones? Just wondering, its prolly in the first half an hour when there chasing the bounty hunter. Obi says to Anikin if you speant half as much time on your sword as you did you wit you would rival master yoda as a swordsmen, anikin reply I thought I already did that. Obi wan then says only in your mind my young aprentice. As for what I read where it said Yoda was the best swordsmen I can not recall, but if you also watch the movies its pretty easy to see since he destroys everyone he encounters with a lightsaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 HAve you ever watch ep.2 attack of the clones? Just wondering, its prolly in the first half an hour when there chasing the bounty hunter. Obi says to Anikin if you speant half as much time on your sword as you did you wit you would rival master yoda as a swordsmen, anikin reply I thought I already did that. Obi wan then says only in your mind my young aprentice. As for what I read where it said Yoda was the best swordsmen I can not recall, but if you also watch the movies its pretty easy to see since he destroys everyone he encounters with a lightsaber. That quote was a painfully obvious joke from Obi-Wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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