holmeskywalkr Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 S&V - 8-man Nim - Holmeskywalkr - ZEN - Guardian - Vigilance - 4/36/6 Titan 6 : http://www.torparse.com/a/374132/13/0/Overview - 2375.53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnluckyChums Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Sleen - Chosen - Marauder - Annihilation - 3772.26Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/378641/30/0/Overview Airwolfe said I could edit the death out as long as I accounted for the rest of the fight, which I did. This is from the night Chosen first downed 16M NiM Kephess, and I died approximately one second before the kill, as evidenced in my video here: Adding one second on, my dps went from 3781 to 3772, which is the link I have above for the thread. Original log if anybody cares: http://www.torparse.com/a/378635/30/0/Overview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 The real problem is that raid parses are not an "exact science". We can spend entire weeks debating rules for every boss fight but in the end it all comes down to common sense. For example, on Olok the Shadow, the current top (and only) parse from Fenrîr (http://www.torparse.com/a/375927/1/0/Damage+Dealt) starts with the line: And after only features Olok the Shadow and his Underworld Arms Trader/Shady Customer adds. This is because they killed the droid field before the boss spawned and he was out of combat for 193ms which reset the log. In my opinion this is a legitimate parse. On the other hand I got parses on the same boss like http://www.torparse.com/a/372875/17/0/Damage+Dealt which start when we pull the Wealthy Buyer and his Bodyguards and feature a 2 minute downtime after we came out of the elevator waiting for everything to come off cooldown. How do we compare these logs? I can't just cut my start time (violates rule #2). If I trimmed my log from the point when Olok spawned (http://www.torparse.com/a/372875/time/1375825761/1375826109/0/Damage+Dealt) my DPS would be 2072.05, instead of 1827.77. Quite a big difference... So as I said, I believe it comes down to common sense and this must be handled in a case-by-case basis. I've added some clarification on what I consider to be a legit parse on Olok, in post #3. I know the coding is kind of crap on this fight and randomly drops combat. But in order to have a legitimate Olok parse, all phases must be included. I'm sure fenrir can update that log if so inclined but for now I removed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Post #3 has been updated quite a bit with what I consider to be valid edits, most are applicable for both 16 and 8. Discuss if anything is needed - but I think these listed edits will equalize parses and account for random irrelevant bits while not cheating anything/allowing equal footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psylee Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 8 Man - Writhing Horror Frenchy - Disciples of Babylon - Sniper - Hybrid 5/18/23 - 3154.75dps Log link: http://www.torparse.com* http://www.torparse.com 3280.35dps - cut when boss was killedGear Profile: Full UW AskMrRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbgood Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 i cannot see my name on the leaderboard Thadalina - Scoundrel - 3/6/37 DirtyFighting - Writhing Horror 8man - 3037.17 Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/325125/13/0/Damage+Dealt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lendish Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) I posted my Parses a few days ago, here they are again: 8-man Tianna - Seven Stuck - Sniper - Marksman - 36/3/7 Titan 6 Nightmare 2863.45 DPS Trasher Nightmare 2424.35 DPS Cartel Warlords Nightmare 2802.67 DPS Edited August 11, 2013 by Lendish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeySok Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) Bãstila, Marauder annihilation, 36/7/3 8 man Nightmare: Kephess the undying: 4109.94 dpshttp://www.torparse.com/a/379647/42/0/Overview 16 man nightmare: The writhing horror: 2879.07 dpshttp://www.torparse.com/a/379675/220/0/Overview Dread guards: 2699.18 dpshttp://www.torparse.com/a/379675/232/0/Overview Titan 6: 2726.57http://www.torparse.com/a/379668/11/0/Overview Edited August 11, 2013 by HeySok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganar Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 8 MAN KU- Yanar- YES - Marauder - Carnage - 5/36/5 4026 Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/379948/5/0/Overview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Bãstila, Marauder annihilation, 36/7/3 8 man Nightmare: Kephess the undying: 4109.94 dps http://www.torparse.com/a/379647/42/0/Overview 16 man nightmare: The writhing horror: 2879.07 dps http://www.torparse.com/a/379675/220/0/Overview Dread guards: 2699.18 dps http://www.torparse.com/a/379675/232/0/Overview Titan 6: 2726.57 http://www.torparse.com/a/379668/11/0/Overview See proper formatting in paowee's post to make this thread easier to maintain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmerry Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 8man Titan 6 Wild-berry - Republic Gentlemen - Shadow - Balance - 8/2/36 - 2892 Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/380458/45/0/Overview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Thrasher 8 man. Airwolfe - Chosen - Marauder - Carnage 5/36/5 - 2733.41 http://www.torparse.com/a/380597/15/0/Damage+Dealt Gear profile: 6.6/14 Kell Dragon Edited adds off the end. Thrasher's death line can be found at the end of the log so I guess I got the KB there, for some added validation. Edited August 12, 2013 by Airwolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssfish Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) 8m Titan 6 Bijje - Sniper - Marksman - 36/8/2 - 2684 Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/380560/6/0/Damage+Dealt Edit: KD Relic and belt; all else 72s. Edited August 12, 2013 by ssfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnluckyChums Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) 8M Thrasher (Off-nights, off-nights everywhere!) Sleen - Chosen - Marauder - Annihilation - 2779.68 Log Link: http://www.torparse.com/a/380570/97/0/Overview Edited the combat log to exit combat upon killing Thrasher, as some adds were still up. Edited log reads: 21:21:21.106 Sleen leaves combat. Timestamped achievement proof: http://i.imgur.com/83Kux4V.jpg Unedited log for comparison: http://www.torparse.com/a/380578/97/0/Overview Edited August 12, 2013 by UnluckyChums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) 8 man Dash'Roode (from 8-1) Airwolfe - Chosen - Marauder - Carnage 5/36/5 - 2825.59 http://www.torparse.com/a/364107/12/0/Damage+Dealt Edited August 12, 2013 by Airwolfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) updating this tomorrow. offtopic: i remember reading a patch about double proc relics... does that mean 2 SA relics stack now? Edited August 12, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaceen Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 updating this tomorrow. offtopic: i remember reading a patch about double proc relics... does that mean 2 SA relics stack now? fairly certain the change is: SA relic and damage proc relics no longer lock each other out tanking relics (absorb / defense procs) no longer lock each other out. and probably a mixture of the above, but i don't think that would be a good idea to mix them. anyway, same-type relics should still lock each other out, so SA x2 or damage proc x2, etc., even if they are from different tiers or play-type (PVE / PVP or arkanian / kell dragon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire-breath Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 No they dont stack anymore Paowee. Compare the idea with the clicky relics. If you click 1 boundless ages relic, they other will go on 30 second cooldown. It makes sense if they dont stack. Yesterday had another NiM try at TfB. Ashame we are still wiping horribly at the dreadguards. Anyhow, the Writhing Horror kill was quiet nice. 8-man TFB The Withring Horror - Macewindy - Twin Suns Squadron - Gunslinger - saboteur - 3/36//7 - 3937,79 dps http://www.torparse.com/a/379994/20/0/Overview Gearprofile: Mostly 72, missing some pieces. We killed her before macy went splat. Taken from the combat log: - 20:53:24.675 Macewindy kills The Writhing Horror. - 20:53:31.964 Foul Offspring kills Macewindy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airwolfe Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 8-man TFB The Withring Horror - Macewindy - Twin Suns Squadron - Gunslinger - saboteur - 3/36//7 - 3937,79 dps http://www.torparse.com/a/379994/20/0/Overview Gearprofile: Mostly 72, missing some pieces. We killed her before macy went splat. Taken from the combat log: - 20:53:24.675 Macewindy kills The Writhing Horror. - 20:53:31.964 Foul Offspring kills Macewindy. You'll want to edit this log to before your death. You may cut the end up until the point Writhing Horror dies..or leave some of the add damage on the end. Either way, at least in my rules is legit. Since it's 8-man though, paowee makes the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire-breath Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 You'll want to edit this log to before your death. You may cut the end up until the point Writhing Horror dies..or leave some of the add damage on the end. Either way, at least in my rules is legit. Since it's 8-man though, paowee makes the call. I felt it was pushing it if I would have edited the log. I would get the best dps (3.999) if I would editt at 26 seconds instead. But as I said, I dont think that would be fair. But yes, its up to Paowee. @ Paowee: if you like I can edit the parse link at bosskill. Just say what you want and I'll do it. If you like I can provide the other combatlogs too. The full 8 mangroup has uploaded their logs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) I felt it was pushing it if I would have edited the log. I would get the best dps (3.999) if I would editt at 26 seconds instead. But as I said, I dont think that would be fair. But yes, its up to Paowee. @ Paowee: if you like I can edit the parse link at bosskill. Just say what you want and I'll do it. If you like I can provide the other combatlogs too. The full 8 mangroup has uploaded their logs. The ideal log for me are untrimmed, unedited, "as-is" logs. Sometimes combat ends when the boss dies sometimes it doesn't. It's just the way of life. If you don't get a good Writhing horror raid parse this week then just try again the next... Edited August 12, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Updating it now. Can i make a request for the 8-man format? instead of Mayoo - Les gardiens d'anachore - Sentinel watchman- 36/8/2 - 3715.24 let's put the DPS number in the front . The 8-man leaderboards should now look something like BOSS NAME HERE 3400 DPS - Mayoo - Les gardiens d'anachore - Sentinel watchmanhttp://www.torparse.com/a/375592/10/0/Overview 3315 DPS - Macewindy - Twin Suns Squadron - Gunslinger - Saboteur - 3/36/7http://www.torparse.com/a/348195/20/0/Damage+Dealt 3266 DPS - Relict - Memories of Xendor - Sniper - Marksman - 36/3/7http://www.torparse.com/a/376189/time/1376109828/1376110126/0/Overview 1568 DPS - B'oard - Hardcore Casual - Jugg - Ragehttp://www.torparse.com/a/123456I'm sure everyone likes to see the BIG 3 Letters right beside their name and this format does just that Also if anyone gets caught by doctoring logs.. = DQ and banned from the 8-man thread Edited August 12, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lendish Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 That format looks great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) That format looks great Yuh! So many people posting in the wrong format lol http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6641873&postcount=111 http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6647430&postcount=133 http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6643932&postcount=123 http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6643392&postcount=121 http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6641185&postcount=105 (log doesn't link to boss) and one more i cant find right now where log doesn't link to boss eidt: http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6641873&postcount=111 This one is actually good http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6641255&postcount=106 Edited August 12, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) TFB: Invinc - HATRED - Operative - Lethality - 4/6/36 - 2248 http://www.torparse.com/g/7491/26 Noo'dles- HATRED - Marauder - Carnage - 5/36/5 - 2492 http://www.torparse.com/g/7491/26 Do you have the individual logs? I want to know if Noo'dles got the void disturbance buff before i upload it. Void disturbance is easily +100 DPS if you are in melee range of the tentacle and/or when you charge the adds in P1 Edited August 12, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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