Ahh ok forgot about him.

 

 

 

Wait wha- how do you know he was aided by Bastila's Battle Meditation? I thought she was too busy concentrating on the fleet?

Bastila's Battle Meditation did affect Revan as he was an ally. What a user Battle Meditation does is reach out to all allies and affects their minds. Boosting Morale, and fighting abilities. It can also weaken the morale of enemies and degrade their fighting skills. Bastila's Battle Meditation effectively leveled the playing field betwen Revan and Malak. Despite Malak's use of the dead Jedi, Bastila's Battle Meditation turned Revan into a machine, supplying him with the will to fight on.

Edit: Plus Bastila would probably want to do what she can to help the man she just confessed her love to.

Ahh ok forgot about him.

 

 

 

Wait wha- how do you know he was aided by Bastila's Battle Meditation? I thought she was too busy concentrating on the fleet?

I believe that Bastila's battle meditation was only helping the fleet. Besides Malek was feeding off the force of numerous Jedi so it would even it out even if he was being affected by battle meditation.

Bastila's Battle Meditation did affect Revan as he was an ally. What a user Battle Meditation does is reach out to all allies and affects their minds. Boosting Morale, and fighting abilities. It can also weaken the morale of enemies and degrade their fighting skills. Bastila's Battle Meditation effectively leveled the playing field betwen Revan and Malak. Despite Malak's use of the dead Jedi, Bastila's Battle Meditation turned Revan into a machine, supplying him with the will to fight on.

 

Edit: Plus Bastila would probably want to do what she can to help the man she just confessed her love to.

It sounds plausible, doesn't mean it's true. =/

Ahh ok forgot about him.

 

 

 

Wait wha- how do you know he was aided by Bastila's Battle Meditation? I thought she was too busy concentrating on the fleet?

I think that's one of the things that we don't know FOR SURE.

Regardless, Bastila's battle meditation doesn't FULLY counter the fact that Malak had like 8 extra lives (due to his captives). For argument's sake, we'll say Revan destroyed 2 of Malak's "lives" and Bastila's battle meditation essiantially countered 3. Even then, it is a tuff battle for Revan.

Just to make a point, Bastila's Battle Meditation would probably have countered the enormous nexus of the Dark Side that was the Star Forge that Malak was calling upon.

The whole dead Jedi thing is totally up for debate, we have no idea how many Malak was able to use.

It sounds plausible, doesn't mean it's true. =/

This was posted by Rayla on my Battle Meditation thread:

Except Battle Meditation does effect Force Users, we have seen it done many, many times over where a Jedi has used battle meditation to enhance their fellow members, one such instance is Darths Bane and Zannah vs a whole group of Jedi Masters and Knights, Bane and Zannah were clearly losing due to it's effects until the Master was slain.

 

Naga Sadow also used a very advanced variation that was winning him the entire Great Hyperspace War with the Jedi Order in chaos until his meditation sphere was fired upon.

 

Many more instances are out there, but you get the point.

Battle Meditation would have affected Revan. So now we ask yourselves, to what degree?

We know that Battle Meditation can turn the tide of battle to your side and greatly benefit allies. We see this when Bane and Zannah fight a group of Jedi Masters and Knights being affected by Battle Meditation. Bane and Zannah were clearly losing until the Jedi using Battle Meditation was slain.

So how did it affect Revan? It turned him into an indomitable warrior against Malak's use of dead Jedi. The Battle Meditation fed Revan the strength of will to continue fighting and enhanced his abilities. Bastila's use of Battle Meditation effectively leveled the playing field. Now Revan only had to fight Malak so many times.

So basically we have them both at their max, fighting each other, the effects of Battle Meditation and the Dark energies of the Star Forge effectively cancelling out, except for the Battle Meditation giving Revan a constant supply of strength to fight. So Revan beating Malak is still quite the feat, but not as big as some may think. The energy Malak gained from the Star Forge was, you could say, equal to the energy that Revan was getting from Battle Meditation. So really, all Malak had going for him was the dead Jedi. But even then he lost.

Edit: Or you can just look up at what Rayla posted.

This was posted by Rayla on my Battle Meditation thread:

 

 

 

Battle Meditation would have affected Revan. So now we ask yourselves, to what degree?

 

We know that Battle Meditation can turn the tide of battle to your side and greatly benefit allies. We see this when Bane and Zannah fight a group of Jedi Masters and Knights being affected by Battle Meditation. Bane and Zannah were clearly losing until the Jedi using Battle Meditation was slain.

 

So how did it affect Revan? It turned him into an indomitable warrior against Malak's use of dead Jedi. The Battle Meditation fed Revan the strength of will to continue fighting and enhanced his abilities. Bastila's use of Battle Meditation effectively leveled the playing field. Now Revan only had to fight Malak so many times.

 

So basically we have them both at their max, fighting each other, the effects of Battle Meditation and the Dark energies of the Star Forge effectively cancelling out, except for the Battle Meditation giving Revan a constant supply of strength to fight. So Revan beating Malak is still quite the feat, but not as big as some may think. The energy Malak gained from the Star Forge was, you could say, equal to the energy that Revan was getting from Battle Meditation. So really, all Malak had going for him was the dead Jedi. But even then he lost.

Right. So I guess we've determined that Bastila's battle med likeely DID influence the battle.

Let's look at it this way:

Revan + Bastila's battle meditation

vs

Malak + Star Forge dark side energies AND 8 dead lives to feed on.

SPECULATION STARTS NOW:

Bastila's battle meditation likely countered the dark side of the Star Forge and a few of Malak's dead guys. On top of that, Revan likely destroyed a number of those lives. So with the advantages canceling out, we have this:

Revan

vs

Malak + 2 to 6 dead guys to feed on

That's the why I see it. So essiantally, Revan has to beat Malak 2-6 times in a row. So I feel that this is a very significant accomplishment.

 

Battle Meditation would have affected Revan. So now we ask yourselves, to what degree?

 

We know that Battle Meditation can turn the tide of battle to your side and greatly benefit allies. We see this when Bane and Zannah fight a group of Jedi Masters and Knights being affected by Battle Meditation. Bane and Zannah were clearly losing until the Jedi using Battle Meditation was slain.

 

Yeah but the guy using Battle Meditiation was right in the room with the other Jedi, Revan was off in a different section of the Star Forge, though we have no idea how far away that was so, also that jedi was focusing entirely on the others fighting, Bastila had a fleet to help after being beaten by Revan.

 

So how did it affect Revan? It turned him into an indomitable warrior against Malak's use of dead Jedi. The Battle Meditation fed Revan the strength of will to continue fighting and enhanced his abilities. Bastila's use of Battle Meditation effectively leveled the playing field. Now Revan only had to fight Malak so many times.

 

So basically we have them both at their max, fighting each other, the effects of Battle Meditation and the Dark energies of the Star Forge effectively cancelling out, except for the Battle Meditation giving Revan a constant supply of strength to fight. So Revan beating Malak is still quite the feat, but not as big as some may think. The energy Malak gained from the Star Forge was, you could say, equal to the energy that Revan was getting from Battle Meditation. So really, all Malak had going for him was the dead Jedi. But even then he lost.

 

Edit: Or you can just look up at what Rayla posted.

 

I think the, practically, living embodiment of the Dark Side that was the Star Forge gave Malak more of an edge then your making it sound like. I doubt that even if Bastila's battle meditation was helping Revan it would not have made as much an impact as the Star Forge was giving to Malak.

 

Just my two cents.

I did not quote anyone so I am sorry if it seems little wierd when you read it.

Aurbere , I know this is gonna stress you out when I reply about this and I say good for you for giving Revan a inche........

Revan saber skills might not even be 2nd , 3rd , or even 200th of his time , we simply have no clues other than he was good at using a Lightsaber .............again Poor Writing on Drew's behalf and horrble on LA for noone willing to bring us some clarity on this issue.

Revan beat Malek before , its how he lost his Jaw and some sick sense of humor Revan had to let him live after that fight .

As for Bastila , she was a Padawan when she was paired with Revan if I remember correctly , I believe in KotoR II they said she was a Master , I know in KotoR II they said Revan was a Jedi Master and he never gained the Rank above Knight according to KotoR 1 .

Her Battle Meditation might not have been all that great but I never doubt those who I am about to fight , so lets say it was on Par with Shadow . Malek Canonly was gaining strength and power from the Star Forge , so how much of a advantage did Bastila's meditation give to Revan ?

I am just going to point out that

1 Revan was still not fully himself at the point of the fight and it was Pretty much till the end of the Novel that became fully aware of his abilities again .

2 Revan in a Duel with Malek pre KotoR showed him whos his daddy .

I give nothing to Revan and take nothing from him .

In a fight with Mace , I honestly think Mace would win . Not because of Achievements or powers , Just in the end , Mace took down the Evilest Being ever in StarWars and you do not need Canon to show that . No one in the history of lore in SW has been so evil as Palpatine .

Mace was good at using his lightsaber to guard against Sidious and he would have done the same with Revan who also relies decently on his Force Abilities Canonly discribed in the Novel and the Games , Not to mention Revan who seems to let his use of Darkside abilities pull him into the Darkside over and over would have met his end to Vaapad.

I am not going to say it would be a easy or hard fight and this is all JUST MY OPINION . My opinion is not backed by Canon , as this fight never happened and Revan is largely a unknown for a character 10years old and in 3 games and how many books and comics .

Revan was great enough that canonly Bane cared to learn from him, and that is all that matters to me .

Right. So I guess we've determined that Bastila's battle med likeely DID influence the battle.

 

Let's look at it this way:

Revan + Bastila's battle meditation

vs

Malak + Star Forge dark side energies AND 8 dead lives to feed on.

 

SPECULATION STARTS NOW:

 

Bastila's battle meditation likely countered the dark side of the Star Forge and a few of Malak's dead guys. On top of that, Revan likely destroyed a number of those lives. So with the advantages canceling out, we have this:

 

Revan

vs

Malak + 2 to 6 dead guys to feed on

 

That's the why I see it. So essiantally, Revan has to beat Malak 2-6 times in a row. So I feel that this is a very significant accomplishment.

Alot of people forget that somehow the StarForge got through Canon and somehow became Canon in its relation with the Darkside .

Rakatan Infinite Empire used alot of Darkside Tech .

Canonly Revan beat Malek twice

First time taking his Jaw as a lesson.

Malek was considered one of the best Saber skilled users in the Jedi Order , cannonly at that .

Right. So I guess we've determined that Bastila's battle med likeely DID influence the battle.

 

Let's look at it this way:

Revan + Bastila's battle meditation

vs

Malak + Star Forge dark side energies AND 8 dead lives to feed on.

 

SPECULATION STARTS NOW:

 

Bastila's battle meditation likely countered the dark side of the Star Forge and a few of Malak's dead guys. On top of that, Revan likely destroyed a number of those lives. So with the advantages canceling out, we have this:

 

Revan

vs

Malak + 2 to 6 dead guys to feed on

 

That's the why I see it. So essiantally, Revan has to beat Malak 2-6 times in a row. So I feel that this is a very significant accomplishment.

It is still quite the accomplishment, but we must remember that Revan was always better than Malak. We see this before when Revan "removed" Malak's jaw during their first confrontation. It's why Malak attacked Revan's ship from afar.

So with Malak and Revan on equal terms (no power-ups since they have effectively cancelled each other out) they fought to the death. But this is where speculation comes in. We don't know how many times Revan had to best Malak. We know he had to twice. The first round and then the second round with Malak using a dead Jedi. Seeing as how Revan was very smart, I would assume that he released the Jedi from their stasis, and that would be a "Light Side" deed. And since the events of KOTOR are canonically Light Side, we can assume that he did release them.

It is still quite the accomplishment, but Revan was always better than Malak. Smarter, faster, more powerful, just better.

I did not quote anyone so I am sorry if it seems little wierd when you read it.

 

Aurbere , I know this is gonna stress you out when I reply about this and I say good for you for giving Revan a inche........

Revan saber skills might not even be 2nd , 3rd , or even 200th of his time , we simply have no clues other than he was good at using a Lightsaber .............again Poor Writing on Drew's behalf and horrble on LA for noone willing to bring us some clarity on this issue.

 

Revan beat Malek before , its how he lost his Jaw and some sick sense of humor Revan had to let him live after that fight .

As for Bastila , she was a Padawan when she was paired with Revan if I remember correctly , I believe in KotoR II they said she was a Master , I know in KotoR II they said Revan was a Jedi Master and he never gained the Rank above Knight according to KotoR 1 .

Her Battle Meditation might not have been all that great but I never doubt those who I am about to fight , so lets say it was on Par with Shadow . Malek Canonly was gaining strength and power from the Star Forge , so how much of a advantage did Bastila's meditation give to Revan ?

I am just going to point out that

1 Revan was still not fully himself at the point of the fight and it was Pretty much till the end of the Novel that became fully aware of his abilities again .

2 Revan in a Duel with Malek pre KotoR showed him whos his daddy .

 

I give nothing to Revan and take nothing from him .

In a fight with Mace , I honestly think Mace would win . Not because of Achievements or powers , Just in the end , Mace took down the Evilest Being ever in StarWars and you do not need Canon to show that . No one in the history of lore in SW has been so evil as Palpatine .

Mace was good at using his lightsaber to guard against Sidious and he would have done the same with Revan who also relies decently on his Force Abilities Canonly discribed in the Novel and the Games , Not to mention Revan who seems to let his use of Darkside abilities pull him into the Darkside over and over would have met his end to Vaapad.

 

I am not going to say it would be a easy or hard fight and this is all JUST MY OPINION . My opinion is not backed by Canon , as this fight never happened and Revan is largely a unknown for a character 10years old and in 3 games and how many books and comics .

 

Revan was great enough that canonly Bane cared to learn from him, and that is all that matters to me .

I agree that the finer points of Revan's prowess should be explored (not by anyone biased for or against), because right now we know that Revan was a skilled duelist and powerful in the Force.

It is still quite the accomplishment, but we must remember that Revan was always better than Malak. We see this before when Revan "removed" Malak's jaw during their first confrontation.

I wonder how Malak ate.. I guess he must have..

*Sunglasses*

Forced food down his throat

I wonder how Malak ate.. I guess he must have..

 

*Sunglasses*

 

Forced food down his throat

Probably through a feeding tube , I imagine how ever he ate eventually someone would have seen it as a weakness and used it against him .

I would say my examples in how I think he ate but I am unsure if it would get a warning from Mods and its not worth it

I wonder how Malak ate.. I guess he must have..

 

*Sunglasses*

 

Forced food down his throat

Probably feeding tubes, as that is how Vader was supplemented. He probably lived off of a liquid diet, probably some applesauce too.

He probably was forced to gain sustenance in the same way as Vader, as Malak was like the Vader of KOTOR.

Although that is a good joke!

I wonder how Malak ate.. I guess he must have..

 

*Sunglasses*

 

Forced food down his throat

LOL!

You sir are hilarious!

Let's compare Revan with Mace Windu, then we can make our predictions.

 

Mace Windu:

Second-best Lightsaber duelist in the Jedi Order, second only to Yoda. Mastered all seven forms and created Vaapad. Bested Darth Sidious in a Lightsaber duel. Mace Windu is a strong candidate for Top 5 Duelists.

Shatterpoint

Force Crush

Force Choke

One of the most powerful Jedi of his time. Mace Windu is one of the few members of his Order that can stand amongst the Jedi of the New Jedi Order.

 

Revan:

Second-best Lightsaber duelist of his time, with great skill with the Lightsaber.

One of the most powerful Force-users of his time. He has some tough competition with Surik, Kun, Traya, Nihilus and others.

Tutaminis

Exotic powers

Some Dark Side abilities, but mainly uses Jedi powers.

 

Overall, we could say that they are equivalent in status for their times. Not equivalent in skill or power, but in where they stand for their time. This type of comparison shows that Luke and Yoda are of comparable status as they are both Grandmasters of their Orders, but Luke is the better Jedi.

 

Victory points to Mace Windu on this one.

It's been raised hundreds of times that there is a definite possibility that Sidious let himself lose to Mace, simply to use that to push Anakin towards the dark side. As you said yourself, Mace is supposed to be second to Yoda. Dear Yoda, who was pushed back and fled his duel with Sidius. This only makes the speculation that Sidious lost on purpose to Mace come credible.

This questions the greatest of Mace's feats on your list.

Guess your love for hating Revan didn't have anything to do with you casually ignoring that? XD

All in all, I'll say at least your tenacity earns you a Top 5 spot in this week's The-More-I-Can-Show-I'm-Above-Thinking-That-Revan-Is-As-Powerful-As-People-Think-The-More-Superior-My-Intellect-Will-Seem-competition.

It's been raised hundreds of times that there is a definite possibility that Sidious let himself lose to Mace, simply to use that to push Anakin towards the dark side. As you said yourself, Mace is supposed to be second to Yoda. Dear Yoda, who was pushed back and fled his duel with Sidius. This only makes the speculation that Sidious lost on purpose to Mace come credible.

This questions the greatest of Mace's feats on your list.

Guess your love for hating Revan didn't have anything to do with you casually ignoring that? XD

Or it's because Lucas himself confirmed in the commentary that Windu defeated Sidious cleanly in the duel.

It's been raised hundreds of times that there is a definite possibility that Sidious let himself lose to Mace, simply to use that to push Anakin towards the dark side. As you said yourself, Mace is supposed to be second to Yoda. Dear Yoda, who was pushed back and fled his duel with Sidius. This only makes the speculation that Sidious lost on purpose to Mace come credible.

This questions the greatest of Mace's feats on your list.

Guess your love for hating Revan didn't have anything to do with you casually ignoring that? XD

 

All in all, I'll say at least your tenacity earns you a Top 5 spot in this week's The-More-I-Can-Show-I'm-Above-Thinking-That-Revan-Is-As-Powerful-As-People-Think-The-More-Superior-My-Intellect-Will-Seem-competition.

Except Lucas said Mace beat Sidious. Soooo... yeah.

Troll attempt=failed

Or it's because Lucas himself confirmed in the commentary that Windu defeated Sidious cleanly in the duel.

In which commentary does Lucas confirm that Windu defeated Sidious cleanly in the duel? Upper hand is not the same as defeating.

In which commentary does Lucas confirm that Windu defeated Sidious cleanly in the duel? Upper hand is not the same as defeating.

ROTS commentary. And since Palpatine was sitting on his butt cowering in a corner, I'd say Mace Windu won.

ROTS commentary. And since Palpatine was sitting on his butt cowering in a corner, I'd say Mace Windu won.

God you two are a joke! XD

There; http://www.swtor.com/de/community/showthread.php?t=499124

Good read a nice comment on the Mace - Sidious duel.

And stop presenting speculations as if they were facts! It doesn't support your biased claims. On the contrary, it undermines your credibility even further.

Except Lucas said Mace beat Sidious. Soooo... yeah.

 

Troll attempt=failed

He did not say that. Read my comment above.

So, ditto, my little troll

God you two are a joke! XD

 

There; http://www.swtor.com/de/community/showthread.php?t=499124

Good read a nice comment on the Mace - Sidious duel.

 

And stop presenting speculations as if they were facts! It doesn't support your biased claims. On the contrary, it undermines your credibility even further.

No need to insult others. Who's the real joke?

Mace Windu won the duel. Sidious was on the ground, defeated. It doesn't matter if he was holding back or not. He was defeated.

This may be Mace Windu's greatest feat, but why argue against it to support Revan. Revan would never touch Sidious or Mace Windu in skill.