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Had a good one today. Running Malestrom Prison on my 41 commando as a dps and I get a beastly Guardian Tank, and pretty good scoundrel healer, and then this other commando. He's level 42 and all he does is Explosive Round and unload in Armor-Piercing Cell. I ask him why he's not using Grav Round, HiB, or anything really and he says "I'm usually a Jedi. Casting is weird for me." So i explain the rotation to him and tell him how all the procs work, link him the proper skill tree and all that stuff. He then asks me, "What happens when im solo questing? I cant sit here and channel all this stuff! The enemy will destroy me." I gave up at that point. I just cant deal with some levels of stupid.

 

Next FP, Malestrom Prison again. This time im a healer. Get a VG tank, GS DPS, and a Sent DPS. The sent is in Juyo form pulls every single pull well before the tank. Like he only stays and attacks the current pull long enough for his jump to come off CD then he's off to the next pull. Thank god the GS and Tank we're pros and we kept chugging through. The sent killed him self at least 25 times but didnt wipe us (thank god) any way, we get to a boss and the sent stops long enough for us to catch up and as were killing what ever boss were on, i notice that all he uses is slash. Thats it. He clearly isnt spec'd right because he runs away from the target to force charge but damn, he can slash like a champ. There are never any dots on the boss. Nothing. Just slash, run out to charge, slash.

 

That sir propably has not noticed there is thing called skill tree:D

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HM Athiss on my Sentinel. Was with a friend's Sage as DPS too.

 

So we get a Commando healer and a Guardian tank. To cut it short, this Commando healer is either : 1) a 5 yrs old kid. 2) someone with a serious brain processing problem.

 

He was barely hitting 22k health which automatically tells us that he's undergeared. His heals could not manage to keep us alive at all, at Prof. Leyarsha! The Guardian tank made it even better by not knowing to taunt. This will be a wonderful run.

 

We told the Commando to respec to DPS while my Sage friend respec to heals.

 

Sage : Do you have field respec?

Commando : How do I do that?

Sage : Legacy unlock, then at the bottom left of your skill tree there should be a "Respec Skills" button.

Commando : Wait.

 

We waited for 5 minutes. I didn't notice that "respec effect" on him since he was off-screen.

 

Commando : Okay.

Sage : You're still wearing healing cell, change it.

Commando : How do I do that.

Sage : In your abilities panel, you should be able to change it under the Trooper tab.

Commando : OK, wait.

 

We waited another 3 minutes. He. Did. Not. Change. His. Cell. At. All. I got tired of waiting and told the tank to pull. We passed the fight with the Sage healing.

 

Sage : Change your cell.

Me : Change your cell.

Commando : Sorry my interface moved around during battle :(

 

He didn't lock his quickbar and didn't even know that. WONDERFUL. We waited ANOTHER 3 minutes.

 

Commando : Sorry I can't change my interface, must be because in FP.

 

Holy hell. At that time I didn't even bother anymore and left the group since I got a raid in less than half an hour. My Sage friend remained with the group and suffered a few wipes. I thought they'd kicked him out already but apparently my Sage friend is an angel. He explained everything, even though the mando obviously didn't get it and carried that mando through the FP. He told me the mando is still healing even though he told him to stop healing. Y'know, I don't mind carrying undergeared people but someone like this guy who can't even learn after we explained stuff is just..... :mad:

 

Days before I also got another wonderful Commando who's in PARTISAN PvP gear. Healer too. I was on my Sage, DPS tree but later respec'd to heals and the mando respec to DPS. "What is a DPS?" WOW LOL. But this guy is better than the Commando above cause he did what we explained him to do.

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- Healer isn't the leader of the group.

- If you force leap before tank then you tank it..

 

Right you are: the healer is not the leader of the group. And neither is the tank the supreme commander. It is not

necessary to instruct your team when to dps and when to heal.

 

A few reminders:

-I reserved all comment and action, even after the tank stopped doing his job.

-The initial encounter was not intentional - the marauder didn't even leap. He stood still. We all did, because it was such a ridiculous request by the tank to move FURTHER back in an EMPTY room to fight ONE mob. There was a lot of "hesitant turning" by the 3 of us.

-The tank continued to be a passive spectator AFTER this initial non-intentional pull by the dps. He pulled each subsequent mob (except first and last), and then stood there. I'll wait for a tank to call a pull, but I won't sit by and wait while he throws a tantrum.

 

Later on I did Mando Raiders and had an awesome tank. Before each boss fight he typed out short, clear instructions for the group, without being overbearing or snobby.

Like, at first boss: "Dps the dogs. I'll tank the boss away from the dogs, by the shield. Ready?"

 

Also, it isn't always necessary to halt the entire FP just because someone pulls before the tank. Once while tanking a Czerka HM, the sorc healer would occasionally pull mobs before me and start to dps. I was a little bothered at first, but TBH as long as he healed me when necessary, I didn't mind at all.

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KDY 101 - Take charge. ....Same with Starship Assembly. Kill the sentries when you enter the main room, check the cards, have solution ready. When the group starts fighting the trash in the last room, grab the final card and head to console. If you are quick, you'll have the solution locked into the console before the others have a chance to screw it up.

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This. I check the cards while we clear the nearby trash, and rocket boost to the console once the last mob is down. Too many people run up and click random components. It's especially frustrating when you select the correct options, and then somebody runs behind you and changes them all, lol. Time to circle back around before he executes.

 

Also, typing out the correct solution in chat might help avoid a random clicker and incorrect assembly. One time someone got there before me, so just in case he was clicking randomly i quickly typed out, "infiltrator, v4, celestial". He did a 180 and re-selected correctly.

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Right you are: the healer is not the leader of the group. And neither is the tank the supreme commander. It is not

necessary to instruct your team when to dps and when to heal.

 

And this attitude is exactly why I hate to tank FPs in this game.

 

Also, it isn't always necessary to halt the entire FP just because someone pulls before the tank. Once while tanking a Czerka HM, the sorc healer would occasionally pull mobs before me and start to dps. I was a little bothered at first, but TBH as long as he healed me when necessary, I didn't mind at all.

 

I've also heard that some healers like to troll others in HM FPs just because they're bored. They can do it while keeping everyone at full HP.

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Yeesh, you broke him.

 

Is gearing up even hard? I bought a leveling suit for an alt for about 6,000 credits on the GTN. (and this was before I even noticed that they give you FOUR FREE SETS thanks to galactic starfighter.) Adaptive armor flows like mana from heaven. If you just do single player quests instead of heroics and accept planetary commendations as a reward, you won't miss out on anything from not getting flashpoint loot.

 

Even if you didnt get GSF sets (new player etc), you can always get the social armor set from DromundKaas/Coruscant social vendor.. It have requirement of Social 1 rank that can easily be obtainable by doing Esseless/BlackTalon run. (though BT have to be ran twice i suppose due to the less conversations involved)

 

Though that social gear could be considered as ugly - it is Orange and cost no more than 100 credits a piece..

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And this attitude is exactly why I hate to tank FPs in this game.

 

Actaully Tank is the best role for leveling considering the FPs.

If it is not your first toon and you have already have lvl55 main with maxxed affection on all comanions, you get a huge Presence boost on your companion, making him have twice the stats of any player at the same level.

So as a Tank i find my healer Companion usually more effective than any player Healer (if the fights are not require the need of Cleanse mechanics)

And as a Tank you can really control the Fight.

 

The second best option is being a healer. Currently im leveling a Sage and my Quizen as Tank have a 10K Hp at lvl 27.(when the best geared player Tanks at that level have 6-7K HP)

Doing the FP with a companion as a Tank is a little bit harder due to the constant need of positioning the companion in the right spot (avoiding AoEs etc..)

 

And to mention the name of the thread, having the Companion boosted by Presence you always have a luxury to kick arrogant PuGs from FP and bring your companion and move on.

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I remember way back in the day, when level cap was 50, my sniper was in pretty decent gear, not uber nightmare mode type gear, but decent, and I selected to have GF find me a group. I was put into Black Talon HM. This fp is one of the easier HM fps to do, geared well or not.

 

So, everything goes fine, we're killing and moving, etc. And this sith (not sure which type) inspects our armor. No big deal, we've all done that. And at the time, I was still fairly new to really using my sniper more than once in a while. And the ENTIRE ENDING of the flashpoint from a boss before the General until the end, he zoomed in one the ONE surge augment I still had on. I hadn't replaced it for cunning augs yet (these were the aug 22s, btw which were the highest at the time).

 

He kept going on and on and throwing in a ton of 'I'manelististbastardlolz!' saying 'oh you should have on CUNNING not SURGE!' I kept telling him over and over that yes I know and I'm working on replacing that one little surge aug out of ALL my cunning augs.

 

Talk about beating a dead horse.

 

I understand trying to help someone who might not know, i have no qualms with that. But to keep on and keep on and keep on like ONE surge aug out of 13 cunning augs was the end of the world. Man, I hope to hell he was just trolling me, cause, seriously.

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Okey, just a real funny/strange Lost Island HM. Let me start off by saying that I'm aware it has been nerved into the ground. However you should still follow mechanics and be reasonably geared.

 

Here we go. Me = lv54 scoundrel healer, guildy lv51 sentinel. random sentinel and random vanguard 'tank'. The culprit for today was the 'tank' since it took me the entire way up to the 1st real boss (not counting the miniboss) to convince him to switch from plasmacell into ion cell. Midway he did switch to high energy cell.

When our sentinel pug asked if he knew tactics for the droid boss he told us he didn't and was new at it. He than proceeded with initiating combat 1 second later. Ofc he didn't interrupt incinerate nor did he ran out of the circles which were close to him. Suffice to say he died in 5 seconds or so. My guildy proceeded to sentinel tank the boss while the other dps initiated a votekick.

 

I really don't mind someone being new but than you should be willing to take advice and wait when someone types 'sec'.

 

After the votekick we got ourselves a 19k HP vanguard tank. He was in ioncell but still kinda squishy since he had a lot of dps gear. Surprisingly it all went very well with only a few tank deaths on the 1st trashpulls and my guildy being smashed to pieces by the popsticles falling down. Even the last boss went allright. Once more showing that wearing 50 blues is enough for tanking a lv50 HM :)

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SM Athiss. on my new sorc healer

Jugg tank, marauder and sniper dps

Tank inspection: green weapon. oh well, moving on.

Tank starts typing instructions in chat. I can tell he might be the controlling type based on how he's speaking. example, "Wait. Don't dps yet until i have aggro. <me>, you can still heal"

(Ok, some degree of coordination can be nice, but seriously, that level of micromanagement is unneccessary).

 

hmm tbh. I can relate a bit to this tank. You'll seem to forget the tank needs to feel himself comfortable while tanking. Even so the healer needs to be comfortable healing the tank. When I tank I'm used to pulling 2 guardians and 1 disciple together so they can be AoE'ed while focussing dps on the disciple. I always type this out beforehand.

A few weeks ago I was on my dps and pulled in a second guardian. This nearly wiped the group because I was at fault. The tank wasnt ready to tank multiple adds yet. As was the healer. Being too careful is better than to overzealious.

 

2nd part which I find extremely annoying on my guardian tank is the tendency of using knockbacks to knock mobs away from me. When this happens I always type in chat in a polite way that they should stop with it. Again a few weeks ago they didn't seem to listen. I just resorted to not tank anything at all and kite around for a bit. If the dps thinks they need to use pushbacks than they can tank them. This may seem childish but when people are acting like that I'm not going the extra mile to group the adds up again.

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2nd part which I find extremely annoying on my guardian tank is the tendency of using knockbacks to knock mobs away from me. When this happens I always type in chat in a polite way that they should stop with it. Again a few weeks ago they didn't seem to listen. I just resorted to not tank anything at all and kite around for a bit. If the dps thinks they need to use pushbacks than they can tank them. This may seem childish but when people are acting like that I'm not going the extra mile to group the adds up again.

 

If I'm in similar situation I don't just kite mobs but I just focus on tanking the strongest mobs and let dps take care of rest. Even if you go and get them again someone's knockback is already up again they will use it (very true with some of the sages/sorcs).

 

If I'm playing on one of my dps characters if someone knocks mobs out of AoE then I don't use AoEs for rest of the fight. If they stop doing it and there's nice group of mobs for AoE then I might take my chances. No, I'm not going to waste AoEs just to damage 1 or 2 mobs.

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2nd part which I find extremely annoying on my guardian tank is the tendency of using knockbacks to knock mobs away from me.

 

God I hate that so much, on pretty much all my characters. On my jug tank there is nothing worse then opening with a saber throw and leap only for some moron to push the mobs out of melee range so I have to walk up to them, often while suffering some kind of slow debuff. It even annoys me on my gunslinger, I tend to crouch in cover at extreme range to mobs so they can't shoot me back. If some idiot pushes them out of range I have to break rotation, move forward and crouch again before I can get any more shots off.

 

I have a solution on my vanguard tank tho. If someone pushes a mob out of range after I've charged up to it I wait till they have approached it again and got in melee range then I harpoon it back to me. Muhahaha! :D

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2nd part which I find extremely annoying on my guardian tank is the tendency of using knockbacks to knock mobs away from me.

 

I agree with that not only from the tank perspective, but also as a melee dps. I've been running a flashpoint with my pt-dps once where the tanks and the other dps both were juggs and they kept pushing adds everywhere just when I finally got to it (having to walk the whole way, you know...). I was so annoyed that I grappled that add back just after those two super heroes jumped to it just like Irongut did - and that is something I rarely do on purpose. Yes, that push is a cool ability and I like to use it as a finisher just for the fun or for strategic purposes, but think about that poor sod that has to run the whole way just to do his job.

 

There is one talent in the sniper's/slinger's left tree that causes a knockback when the mob is within 10m to the shooter on the longer casted shot. This can cause so much trouble, I always ask those running this spec to either not use that ability (I don't care about your dps-loss if you pull another group with that thing) or to just get rid of that bloody talent while playing pve group content. Some even listen...

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There is one talent in the sniper's/slinger's left tree that causes a knockback when the mob is within 10m to the shooter on the longer casted shot. This can cause so much trouble, I always ask those running this spec to either not use that ability (I don't care about your dps-loss if you pull another group with that thing) or to just get rid of that bloody talent while playing pve group content. Some even listen...

 

You are asking them to not to use their most hard-hitting ability that is very essential to their rotation. I'd say you're better off asking them not to stand next to the mob they happen to be dpsing.

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Had a real amusing experience in BT the other day with a dps operative. He died several times over the course of the run. We were doing just fine regardless of his performance so nobody says anything, towards the end after the umteenth time he falls the healer inspects his gear, and says "dude do you realize you're stats are a mix of strength, willpower, cunning, and aim?" The op says "yes I do." The healer say "well you should know by now that cunning is your primary stat." In response he says "Well I consider myself a renaissance man, I like my character to know a bit of everything, he is not a specialist but a jack of all trades,and I don't appreciate being told how to roleplay!" Had me laughing on and off throughout the day. I wonder if he was for real or doing that to mess with everyone. I would not be surprised by either.

 

Oh yeah I almost forgot... What makes this even funnier, in the beginning this clown actually inspected me and sent some private tells criticizing me for sporting all pvp gear.

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You are asking them to not to use their most hard-hitting ability that is very essential to their rotation. I'd say you're better off asking them not to stand next to the mob they happen to be dpsing.

 

There is absolutely no reason to be specced for that ability outside some very specific fights. If you are good on your slinger you won't do that to the tank even if specced for it (just stay at long range). If you do that you don't know what you are doing and he is right :)

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You are asking them to not to use their most hard-hitting ability that is very essential to their rotation. I'd say you're better off asking them not to stand next to the mob they happen to be dpsing.

 

This. It's Snipers and Gunslingers only. The hell are they doing within 10m range of an enemy anyway (enemies that can be knocked back usually don't require you to stand right next to them).

 

That said, it's fun to use if the tank loses agro on something and you push it back to him :p

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Had a real amusing experience in BT the other day with a dps operative. He died several times over the course of the run. We were doing just fine regardless of his performance so nobody says anything, towards the end after the umteenth time he falls the healer inspects his gear, and says "dude do you realize you're stats are a mix of strength, willpower, cunning, and aim?" The op says "yes I do." The healer say "well you should know by now that cunning is your primary stat." In response he says "Well I consider myself a renaissance man, I like my character to know a bit of everything, he is not a specialist but a jack of all trades,and I don't appreciate being told how to roleplay!" Had me laughing on and off throughout the day. I wonder if he was for real or doing that to mess with everyone. I would not be surprised be either.

 

Hmm an in game friend levelled a L55 trooper and put his full DF gear on it including 78 MH and kept asking for guard in PUG L55 ops. I guess you might have been trolled ;)

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There is one talent in the sniper's/slinger's left tree that causes a knockback when the mob is within 10m to the shooter on the longer casted shot. This can cause so much trouble, I always ask those running this spec to either not use that ability (I don't care about your dps-loss if you pull another group with that thing) or to just get rid of that bloody talent while playing pve group content. Some even listen...

 

If a RANGED dps forced to use the knockback for a mob within 10m of his position it means only one thing - Tank lost aggro for this mob.

Bad tank.

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hmm tbh. I can relate a bit to this tank. You'll seem to forget the tank needs to feel himself comfortable while tanking. Even so the healer needs to be comfortable healing the tank. When I tank I'm used to pulling 2 guardians and 1 disciple together so they can be AoE'ed while focussing dps on the disciple. I always type this out beforehand.

A few weeks ago I was on my dps and pulled in a second guardian. This nearly wiped the group because I was at fault. The tank wasnt ready to tank multiple adds yet. As was the healer. Being too careful is better than to overzealious.

 

Do you also tell your healers when and when not to heal?

Like I said, nothing wrong if a tank wants to set up a pull, like calling los, cc, or asking the dps to wait before they unload. This guy, however, was just.. too attached to the small bit of "authority" that comes with being a tank. He acted as if we couldn't function w/o his expert guidance.

 

Anyway, another tank story:

 

Cademimu SM, again on my Sorc Healer.

We enter FP, and the tank immediately DCs. Comes back and says sorry, his connection sucks and has to leave. So we re-queue. DPS are fine with continuing with a tank companion, so out comes Khem and away we go, and quite smoothly to my surprise.

 

We cybertech the gate, and Khem’s about to attempt a los with that group when a new tank connects. So I thought, sweet, right? Little. Did. We. Know.

Dps says “yay tanksauce”

Tank says, “I’m tank”

Hrm. Weird thing to say. Either he’s re-confirming his role to everyone out loud, or, he thinks we don’t respect his role and is trying to establish himself as the almighty tank hero savior of the world (like the guy above). Or something. In any case, it’s strange. He continues to type “I’m tank” several more times throughout the flashpoint.

 

So we dance in a circle while we wait for him to catch up. Suddenly, TANK HAS BEEN DEFEATED. Bad sign already.

 

He respawns, and we wait again. Suddenly, we’re put into combat, and then TANK HAS BEEN DEFEATED.

 

“Help me” he says. So we make our way back to the entrance, and I’m wondering what could possibly be tripping him up. We cleared the trash save the 2 groups at the elevator, so it’s probably that. Sure enough, he’s aggrod the group right in front. We make our way to the elevator, but one of the dps bumps into the other group by the wall. While we’re fighting them, I see the tank’s body plummet from the sky. TANK HAS BEEN DEFEATED. Once he re-learns how to ride the elevator, he makes it back down, and after a little prodding he engages the other group. We clear the area and head on.

 

At the officer and droid boss, DPS types out instructions in chat. Tank says, “I’m tank.” And then, “why?”. DPS: “we’ve done this a time or two”. Of course, once the robot is activated it targets the tank first, who doesn’t move and gets frozen in place.

 

Finally we make it to the last boss. DPS says, “who doesn't know this fight?” After a slight pause, tank says, “ready?” and leaps. During the 2nd rocket blast, he doesn't move and dies in the fire. One of the dps laughs in chat, and the tank says, “I’m a good tank”.

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There is absolutely no reason to be specced for that ability outside some very specific fights. If you are good on your slinger you won't do that to the tank even if specced for it (just stay at long range). If you do that you don't know what you are doing and he is right :)

 

Not everyone respecs everytime they change from pvp or solo to pve, you know. And you find it more useful to tell a dps they should stop using one of their best abilities instead of just telling them to stand at least 10m away from the enemies?

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If a RANGED dps forced to use the knockback for a mob within 10m of his position it means only one thing - Tank lost aggro for this mob.

Bad tank.

 

A tank can't hold aggro against anything on everything for any length of time... Single target, yes. But when you commit all your dps to hitting a single mob and the tank isn't focusing all his threat on that one mob because he's prioritizing the bigger nastier ones, it's expected that you will pull, and that doesn't make them bad. Damage dealers aren't made of cardboard, you're not expected to survive an entire group of mobs ganging up on you like a tank, but one stray add, you can deal with. You've got DCDs for a reason. Better that they hit you than the healer.

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There is absolutely no reason to be specced for that ability outside some very specific fights. If you are good on your slinger you won't do that to the tank even if specced for it (just stay at long range). If you do that you don't know what you are doing and he is right :)

 

Juggernaut's have Crushing Blow which usually knocks a lot of mobs to ground. So why to even spec to it when you can use hybrid? I've heard hybrids are superior though.

 

So we dance in a circle while we wait for him to catch up. Suddenly, TANK HAS BEEN DEFEATED. Bad sign already.

 

Newsflash: Not all tank classes have stealth CC. Even those two classes that have can only use it to CC droids.

 

So if you skip mobs then you should be ready to help player who joins the group later.

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Newsflash: Not all tank classes have stealth CC. Even those two classes that have can only use it to CC droids.

 

So if you skip mobs then you should be ready to help player who joins the group later.

 

Breaking news: none of us had stealth. We were 1 sorc, 1 PT, 1 Merc. Oh, and 1 Dashade. And none of us CC'd, we cleared everything else.

This just in: everyone skips the first 2 groups below the elevator on Cad SM.

 

He was obviously an inexperienced tank and new to Cad. We helped him without complaint.

Any other small bits of my stories you'd like to pick on?

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