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I don't really understand why Palpatine just randomly decides to let Darth Maul show himself, after a thousand or so years, just so he will die. It really made no sense.. why alert the Jedi that there might be more Sith out there?

 

There was nothing random about this.

 

Darth Sidious was the culmination of over 1,000 years of the Sith accumulating power. When he revealed that the Sith was still alive It simply set about the events Sidious himself had foreseen that eventually led to the destruction of the Jedi Order, and the rise of the Galactic Empire. Giving the Sith complete control over the Galaxy.

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It could be several reasons.

 

However, the one that makes the most sense to me, is that the Emperor was holding thin strings to his underlings who he must manipulate to keep them under his control and his bidding.

 

The reason why the Emperor has to be manipulative is because of the Sith code. Anyone can rise to power, however that rise to power is only attained with careful planning and real or fake alliances, which then leads to some kind stable power structure but selfish to their own gain. It breaks down to 'you help me, you help yourself' and things work out that way.

 

So keeping that in mind, the sith are united for a common goal and that is against the Republic and under the emperor.

 

So it is possible that after a thousand years of manipulation and maintaining control that his underlings have also gain some leverage to undermine the Emperors authority and therefore to maintain order again the emperor decided to attack the Republic to maintain order in his empire by keeping people focused on an enemy rather than usurping what ever power and self benefit sith would try to attain for themselves anyways.

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I see it more as Palpatine believing that the Jedi are weak at the time. They had been so used to not seeing any Sith that they became lax and inactive. Combine that with the ineffectiveness of the Republic and there really wasn't a better time for the Sith to reveal themselves and throw the Jedi order into disarray.
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To everyone saying that Maul showing himself was all part of the master plan, my question is HOW does it do so.

 

The Jedi knowing the Sith are back wouldn't seem to have any effect in how things play out.

The only change would be that it would have been Qui-gon training Anakin instead of Obi-wan. This may have lead Anakin down a different path but it seems unlikely.

 

Knowledge of the Sith didn't have anything to do with the discovery of the Clone army, that was found while searching for the assassin after Padme. It wouldn't necessarily have effected the spiral towards war with the CIS, they may just have had a different political leader than Doku. So war would still have occured, leading to Palpatine being given emergency powers. The Jedi would still have objected to him having them, and he would still be able to use that as an excuse to kill them. Palpatine would have still revealed himself to Anakin, and the end results would have been the same.

 

Meanwhile the Jedi would have been even more clueless about what was transpiring.

 

The Jedi's knowledge of the Sith's return played almost no role in the actual plot of the movies.

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Palpatine is a master manipulator who can also sense the currents in the Force. This does not mean he knows the exact future. He knows where he wants to end up, maybe even sees it. He's constantly changing and adapting his plans to achieve the end he forsees. This all started with creating a crisis on the world he represents in the Senate. When the Queen escapes, he changes his plan. He knew the Sith were going to have to come out eventually, so there was no real reason to not send Darth Maul to prevent the Queen from making it to the Senate. Edited by shadowouch
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To everyone saying that Maul showing himself was all part of the master plan, my question is HOW does it do so.

 

The Jedi knowing the Sith are back wouldn't seem to have any effect in how things play out.

The only change would be that it would have been Qui-gon training Anakin instead of Obi-wan. This may have lead Anakin down a different path but it seems unlikely.

 

Knowledge of the Sith didn't have anything to do with the discovery of the Clone army, that was found while searching for the assassin after Padme. It wouldn't necessarily have effected the spiral towards war with the CIS, they may just have had a different political leader than Doku. So war would still have occured, leading to Palpatine being given emergency powers. The Jedi would still have objected to him having them, and he would still be able to use that as an excuse to kill them. Palpatine would have still revealed himself to Anakin, and the end results would have been the same.

 

Meanwhile the Jedi would have been even more clueless about what was transpiring.

 

The Jedi's knowledge of the Sith's return played almost no role in the actual plot of the movies.

 

It lead to a war between the republic and the Separatists, lead by Count Dooku (and grevious but he didnt get much show till the cartoon). Which is what Palpatine wanted. If the war wasn't in such desparate stages, the Jedi Council would NEVER approve of the use of a clone army, and Palpatine needed the clone army for his master plan (killing the jedi).

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Palpatine's plans involved intricate manipulation of the Jedi order. The chaos and doubt brought on by knowing of the Sith's return had the council making moves that they would not have made otherwise... Moves that Palpatine had foreseen as part of his plans. Revealing the Sith's return at just the right time was a crucial part of his plans. It wasn't a blunder of incompetence or an act of impatience. It was calculated psychological warfare.
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Not sure if he wanted Maul to die at that moment. The plan would have worked fine if Maul had killed the Jedi and saved the Trade Federation. That was probably Plan A. Had that happened, maybe Palpatine's plan to raise an army etc would have happened even earlier.

 

But he suffers a few setbacks. He's Supreme Chancellor, but he's lost his apprentice and Gunray and co. are arrested. He probably has to spend a decade working something new out with Count Dooku and the Seperatist movement.

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Palp knew of the vong and had to prepare the galaxy for them, how things were it didn't stand a chance and what better way to get the galaxy ready than to start a war to unit the galaxy to stand against the vong when they attacked and while he was at it take the jedi down, two mynock's but with one force thrown stone. ;)
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Palp knew of the vong and had to prepare the galaxy for them, how things were it didn't stand a chance and what better way to get the galaxy ready than to start a war to unit the galaxy to stand against the vong when they attacked and while he was at it take the jedi down, two mynock's but with one force thrown stone. ;)

 

Dont ever speak of the vong.

 

The vong did not happen.

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Palpatine's plans involved intricate manipulation of the Jedi order. The chaos and doubt brought on by knowing of the Sith's return had the council making moves that they would not have made otherwise... Moves that Palpatine had foreseen as part of his plans. Revealing the Sith's return at just the right time was a crucial part of his plans. It wasn't a blunder of incompetence or an act of impatience. It was calculated psychological warfare.

 

In greater detail-

 

It's all about doubt. It wasn't until they knew the sith had returned that they knew they had been 'blind'. What else weren't they seeing?! The inner turmoil caused by this level of doubt gave rise to paranoia so subtle, that they themselves couldn't tell the difference between intuition and unfounded doubt.

 

Without knowlege of the Sith's return, the risk of training Anakin would have seemed far less. There is a huge psychological difference between a scholarly understanding that the Sith existed LONG ago in the past, and knowing they exist NOW. Knowing they are blind to the Sith, they begin to fear what they would normally not fear, seeing things in the shadows, fumbling in the dark.

 

Like Anakin's fear of loosing Padme being the very thing that lead to loosing her, so was the council's fear of loosing Anakin to the dark side the very thing that lead to them loosing him. By pushing him away, distrusting him, and treating him like a timebomb, they gave Palpatine the opportunity to be to Anakin what the council had not been.

 

 

So what if the council had never been alerted to the Sith's return? Was the fear and danger they saw in Anakin colored by their own fear of the Sith? Was it their fear of him that drove him away? There is no way to prove a 'what if', but I believe this is what really happened.

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forget maul, little orphan annie, the jedi.

 

The master plan to rule the galaxy was between jar jar and palpatine, the sith needed control of the senate, nothing else mattered and all players were just pawns of jar jar and palpatines master plan.

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the new Darth Plagueis novel answers the TC's question and in detail...

 

 

Darth maul was the needed sign to push the trade federation into blockading naboo, they would use darth maul explicitly because he was trained to effectively be a decoy, a sith that was built to kill and die without weakening the sith itself. Darth plagueis at this point had come to the realization that the Jedi themselves were being diminished by force, their own powers weakened and thus being the perfect time for his plans of insurrection and discord within the republic.

 

Also darth maul was not the first sign, and plagueis outright says that despite the sith having revealed themselves twice before the jedi were barely able to understand let alone percieve the threat returning, by the time maul was in training it was time to exploit this lack of farseeing the jedi had developed.

 

Theres more details but i'll leave that to people wanting to read the book to actually get them.

 

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I don't really understand why Palpatine just randomly decides to let Darth Maul show himself, after a thousand or so years, just so he will die. It really made no sense.. why alert the Jedi that there might be more Sith out there?

 

If I remember correctly, Maul was suppose to kill everyone and failed and that resulted in the revealing of the Sith.

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