I don't think the Hippie Mandos follow the same leadership structure. Therefore, no she is not nor will she ever be Mandalore.

 

I know you're being sarcastic, but god she infuriates me. I think GL wanted to find the best way to spit in Karen Traviss's eye and found it. I hope the Hippie mandos are annihilated in TCW because they're never mentioned post-ROTJ so it makes no sense to keep them.

 

Besides, how do you get a reputation as honor-driven mercenaries when half your people are pacifists? I'd kill them for sport and brag about my mando killing skills

You bet. Even if it is Death Watch that takes their place. Anything is better than what the Mandalorians are now.

 

The Skull of Canderous looks upon her with shame! (Smuggler Easter Egg )

Agreed. I don't like Death Watch, but they're the closest things to true Mandos in TCW. Satine must die!!

Clone wars = Bunch of feldercarb that rewrote all the EU. Don't like what they did with asaj ventress. Anakin has a padawan? Makes the clone wars look A LOT longer than what they are supposed to be, about 25 months.

Just a whole heap of things wrong with that damn cartoon.

As I recall Jango only landed a good headbutt in on Obi-Wan. As for him losing to the two average Mandos....it was 2 against 1, though that does seem off cause Obi-Wan handled himself very well unarmed against Jango.....eh w/e.

He also knocked him on his shebs with his rocket blast and dragged him across the platform when he ensnared his hands and kept him away from his lightsaber the rest of the fight. Also....for the arrest attempt Obi Wan still failed.... Jango got away.

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Ok I'm going to say here since a lot are using jango and boba if any of you watched the clone wars or read about it you would know Jango stole Mando armor HE ISN'T A MANDO. Same with boba he is merely a cloned BH

About that, Then Prime Minister Almec was in a conversation with Obi Wan about Mandalore being peaceful, It's absolutely possible Almec was lying to Kenobi to promote the peaceful Mandalore he was trying to sell. Simple cover up.

Not only that Jango wasn't apart of their faction, but rather the True Mandalorian Faction so it makes sense he would disavow Jango as the New Mandalorians probably saw the True Mandalorians and the Death Watch as hinderence to their new lifestyle.

Also.....The Clan Jango and Boba come from is Clan Fett. It's not proven yet but it's possible they are of the same lineage as Cassus Fett who was Supreme Commander to Mandalore the Ultimate. So their clan is legit.

No Satine is not a Mandalore, she is a Duchess. The New Mandalorians most likely follow the hierarchy of her home planet of Kalevala. She doesn't go by Mandalore because of their pacifistic way of life, as Mandalore was a symbol of the ol-THE F'ING AWESOME WAYS!!! YEAAAA!!!....sorry the Old Ways.

Also I too wish for the downfall of Satine....though I hope in the later seasons of the show Spar, Fenn Shysa and their Mandalorian Protectors show up and whup some shebs.

And....I think an Average Mando vs an Average Jedi is 50/50. All depending on the combatants really as Mandalorians accept ANYONE who can live by their lifestyle and prosper so you have a mixed bag between epic warriors they tell tales about and your average scrub who is just getting the hang of things. This is not to say they just let anyone in, however. You have to be tough enough to pass their standards.

After working on my armor and resubscribing.....I'm BACK!

Agreed. I don't like Death Watch, but they're the closest things to true Mandos in TCW. Satine must die!!

Which is sad because Death Watch is supposed to be the guys other Mandalorians hate.....yet now I'm finding myself rooting for them....DAMN YOU DAVE FILONI FOR MAKING ME ROOT FOR MY ENEMY!!!!

Mandalorians aren't jedi killers. Theres only a few that actually hold that title as being such, and even moreso that have actual evidence of killing jedi some just have the title just because, even moreso its actually even harder to pin down who is a jedi killer or not because even some of the evidence is complete ********.

Which is why they are called 'Jedi-Killers'.. Also its a known fact Boba and other mandalorians killed Jedi that were in groups.. Many Mandos have killed Jedi, also Boba even duelled with Vader himself and it was closely fought. Infact Boba could of had a finishing shot on him but opted not to take it and leave.

Which is why they are called 'Jedi-Killers'.. Also its a known fact Boba and other mandalorians killed Jedi that were in groups.. Many Mandos have killed Jedi, also Boba even duelled with Vader himself and it was closely fought. Infact Boba could of had a finishing shot on him but opted not to take it and leave.

Oh yes, lets bring up that so called 'fight' between Vader and Boba and say its a feat for the bounty hunter. When in reality, Boba wasn't really even fighting Vader at all, he was trying to get away from him for the most part.and Boba only lasted so long due to a plot device thats it. Also Boba could have killed Vader? HA thats a laugh.

Oh yes, lets bring up that so called 'fight' between Vader and Boba and say its a feat for the bounty hunter. When in reality, Boba wasn't really even fighting Vader at all, he was trying to get away from him for the most part.and Boba only lasted so long due to a plot device thats it. Also Boba could have killed Vader? HA thats a laugh.

Wolf makes a good point, I don't know the ins and outs of the fight but Boba > Vader flies in the face of everything about the Force. Everything.

Wolf makes a good point, I don't know the ins and outs of the fight but Boba > Vader flies in the face of everything about the Force. Everything.

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Out of all of this heres what happens.

1. Boba runs away to a speeder which Vader destroys.

2. Boba then unloads on Vader, which doesn't do a thing.

3. Vader had Boba on the ground TWICE, and disarmed him the 2nd time.

4. Boba got in one cheap headshot, which just knocked Vader back.

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Ignoring for a moment why Vader, couldn't react to the blaster shot. That is the only notable thing that Boba did, and it was a cheap shot...more to that point at the end where it states Boba could have killed him...well that is just a flat out lie considering Vader has taken blaster shots and a number of other things and has lasted against far worse then a bounty hunter.

More to that point, if its insisting that Vader would fall into the lava...again that doesn't make any sense. Because Vader could have just sense the attack, redirected it back at Boba or even if Vader somehow did fall its not like he wouldn't be able to save himself.

More again to that point, if what it takes for Boba to beat Vader via a cheapshot(not that it would work anyway) then that speaks volumes of how terribly outclassed he is against Vader.

Here is the complete fight.

 

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Out of all of this heres what happens.

 

1. Boba runs away to a speeder which Vader destroys.

 

2. Boba then unloads on Vader, which doesn't do a thing.

 

3. Vader had Boba on the ground TWICE, and disarmed him the 2nd time.

 

4. Boba got in one cheap headshot, which just knocked Vader back.

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Ignoring for a moment why Vader, couldn't react to the blaster shot. That is the only notable thing that Boba did, and it was a cheap shot...more to that point at the end where it states Boba could have killed him...well that is just a flat out lie considering Vader has taken blaster shots and a number of other things and has lasted against far worse then a bounty hunter.

 

More to that point, if its insisting that Vader would fall into the lava...again that doesn't make any sense. Because Vader could have just sense the attack, redirected it back at Boba or even if Vader somehow did fall its not like he wouldn't be able to save himself.

 

More again to that point, if what it takes for Boba to beat Vader via a cheapshot(not that it would work anyway) then that speaks volumes of how terribly outclassed he is against Vader.

Oh lol, I was expecting a massive fight where Boba gets a lightsaber and strikes Vader down - guess I was wrong. Boba got owned. Even if he had unloaded on Vader, by the time his blaster bolts cut through that suit/Force shield Vader would have killed him. Period.

Oh to that fight, ya that fight is non-canon(where Boba uses a saber) and infact is more pathetic for Boba.

Depends of a lot of variables, how experienced are they?, how tired are they?, does Mandalorian have some edge? ie surprise, what level of fitness are they?

 

If an experienced, well rested Mandalorian at peak of physical fitness gets the edge on a Jedi then he/she might beat him/her. Likewise an inexperienced Jedi would probably be in trouble against Mandalrians.

 

Also type of Jedi would come into play, Knights are combat experts, but lack force lift/push, while a Consular could push Mandalorian away then lift them and escape.

 

Also I noted that you opened two copies of exact same thread minutes apart, why?

This. I know that some Mandalorians trained to be Jedi Hunters, but a Jedi Master would give a Jedi hunter/mandalorian a tough time.

Due to the Force and it's telekinetic abilities, wouldn't a Jedi win every time? I mean, at least as a Jedi Knight or Master, because they could simply disarm the mando, pull him over, and proceed to mutilate him.

Yes if they are smart, a sith moreso. Even fighting on the Mando terms, Mandlore the Indomintable couldn't beat Ulic Qel-Droma when he had all the advantages. Key is fighting smarter, not stupider use your abilities.

im voting for Satine to go down. if not her, Ashoka. anyways...

Mandalorians had a fierce reputation as "Jedi-killers" because of a select few of their kind. A fully-honed Mando vs. a Jedi? lets look.

Boba Fett fought Darth Vader and survived, even earning the Dark Lord's respect. Jango Fett stood up to Obi-Wan Kenobi, and fell in battle against the most prominent lightsaber duelist of his time (Mace Windu). Mandalore fought with Kun and had all the advantages, but lost anyway. Why? Because Kun had Sith magic on his side.

Pre Viszla managed a short duel with Kenobi as well. And Viszla isn't even fully-honed. Bo Katan fought Ashoka, but neither won. It comes down to the gear in the end.

The gear here could be:

Fully-honed Mando:

Crushgaunts

Blaster carbine

Flamethrower

Electrostaff/Force pike

Jedi:

Lightsaber

The Force

depending on the gear, the Mando's got it. Crushgaunts are devastating, Force pikes and Electrostaffs are great lightsaber counters, and Jedi can't block flamethrowers (its possible but I'd bet the Mando would throw in the flames as a surprise).

Gotta hand it to them Mandos. I do believe Traviss overrated them, but I do love Mandos as well.

Either Jedi or Mando has a chance here. The odds seem to be stacked one way (Jedi), but ya never know

Due to the Force and it's telekinetic abilities, wouldn't a Jedi win every time? I mean, at least as a Jedi Knight or Master, because they could simply disarm the mando, pull him over, and proceed to mutilate him.

It makes the universe a lot less interesting if Jedi can just think everyone to death. Realistically, consider the weight of the rocks etc. Jedi are shown to lift with the force - much heavier than a normal person could lift with one arm, therefore the same force applied to someone's arm would prevent him from aiming at you. From there it's a very, very small amount of pressure required to close someone's airways.

It makes the universe a lot less interesting if Jedi can just think everyone to death. Realistically, consider the weight of the rocks etc. Jedi are shown to lift with the force - much heavier than a normal person could lift with one arm, therefore the same force applied to someone's arm would prevent him from aiming at you. From there it's a very, very small amount of pressure required to close someone's airways.

Well a jedi wouldn't resort to lethal tactics right away, so of course right out the gate(or really anytime) they wouldn't go and choke their opponent. They could however, just rip and disarm them of their blaster(which coming at a jedi or sith with a blaster is stupid anyway), or push them down knocking them off their feet....a fully trained sith however? Ya...I don't see a Mando lasting against a fully trained Sith Lord in open straight combat.

Well a jedi wouldn't resort to lethal tactics right away, so of course right out the gate(or really anytime) they wouldn't go and choke their opponent. They could however, just rip and disarm them of their blaster(which coming at a jedi or sith with a blaster is stupid anyway), or push them down knocking them off their feet....a fully trained sith however? Ya...I don't see a Mando lasting against a fully trained Sith Lord in open straight combat.

Oh I'm not saying that's what they'd do, I was just highlighting that in a fight to the death, if they wanted to a Jedi could kill any non-force user with relative ease. Thinking about it now, they kind of wast a lot of time training with lightsabers considering how easy it would be to break someone's arms with the force.

But as you've said, attacking them head on with anything is pretty much suicide if they want you dead, so a trap of some form is your only real option. Unless they sense the danger, but for the purposes of the plot we all know how inconsistent a power that tends to be

Something else many do not think about. Circumstances of the battle.

Wolf riddle me this. Had Boba Fett had time to prepare the battlefield, shape it with traps, IEDs, stuff to trip Vader up, overwhelm with so many threats, THEN attack when he had the advantage, I'd bet that the battle would of gone a whole lot differently.

It's one thing when a mando or non force user stumbles on somebody like Vader, yeah Vader has all the advantages.

But when one has prepared and shaped the battlefield and knows what is coming, it's a whole different story.

Negate the advantages of the force, or better yet find ways to make their greatest strength, their own worst enemy[and yes it can be done], whole different outcome.

Something else many do not think about. Circumstances of the battle.

 

Wolf riddle me this. Had Boba Fett had time to prepare the battlefield, shape it with traps, IEDs, stuff to trip Vader up, overwhelm with so many threats, THEN attack when he had the advantage, I'd bet that the battle would of gone a whole lot differently.

 

It's one thing when a mando or non force user stumbles on somebody like Vader, yeah Vader has all the advantages.

 

But when one has prepared and shaped the battlefield and knows what is coming, it's a whole different story.

 

Negate the advantages of the force, or better yet find ways to make their greatest strength, their own worst enemy[and yes it can be done], whole different outcome.

And remember we can only really assess their abilities of both combatants fight on a level playing field. Take away prior knowledge of the battle takes away the element of surprise. We have to look at this from both angles, say Vader knew the battle would take place, his traps would probably be more deadly than Boba's. Basically due to Force sense Jedi have the advantage concerning surprise attacks and traps.

Something else many do not think about. Circumstances of the battle.

 

Wolf riddle me this. Had Boba Fett had time to prepare the battlefield, shape it with traps, IEDs, stuff to trip Vader up, overwhelm with so many threats, THEN attack when he had the advantage, I'd bet that the battle would of gone a whole lot differently.

 

It's one thing when a mando or non force user stumbles on somebody like Vader, yeah Vader has all the advantages.

 

But when one has prepared and shaped the battlefield and knows what is coming, it's a whole different story.

 

Negate the advantages of the force, or better yet find ways to make their greatest strength, their own worst enemy[and yes it can be done], whole different outcome.

Except that kinda thing has already happened with Vader, against 8 Jedi on Kessel who set an ambush for him and even one of them had a cortosis blade and they still lost. It wasn't as extensive, but they were Jedi Masters one of which having a cortosis blade to short out Vader's saber and they still got their asses handed to them. Besides overplanning and setting a bunch of traps as Beni said isn't a good idea, moreso this is Vader were speaking of and he has survived worse then a few traps.

Except that kinda thing has already happened with Vader, against 8 Jedi on Kessel who set an ambush for him and even one of them had a cortosis blade and they still lost. It wasn't as extensive, but they were Jedi Masters one of which having a cortosis blade to short out Vader's saber and they still got their asses handed to them. Besides overplanning and setting a bunch of traps as Beni said isn't a good idea, moreso this is Vader were speaking of and he has survived worse then a few traps.