t-darko Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Left all my legacy stuff in my bank. NP. https://imgur.com/a/SLzQE Stop whining about gear and play. To understand the world we generalize, and when we generalize to describe the world we most often use ourselves as the main reference of which/who we describe said world. But with age, experience and education we, in most cases, learn that using our selves as a mold to describe the world most often gives a false description of said world.As we progress in our development we learn to adjust our image and thereby our description of the world. We learn that our experiences is only a tiny part that really just describes, that tiny part on which we resides. Now this is the most common development of the mind and the way we perceive the world around us, well, as said, In most cases . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenariusJay Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 To understand the world we generalize, and when we generalize to describe the world we most often use ourselves as the main reference of which/who we describe said world. But with age, experience and education we, in most cases, learn that using our selves as a mold to describe the world most often gives a false description of said world.As we progress in our development we learn to adjust our image and thereby our description of the world. We learn that our experiences is only a tiny part that really just describes, that tiny part on which we resides. Now this is the most common development of the mind and the way we perceive the world around us, well, as said, In most cases . . . There is no spoon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bob- Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I'm not hungover, the hangover is just happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) Eh, I think what your really trying to say Ble is that gear doesn't make you a better player. We all know gear matters, all gear does is amplify whatever you are able to do at your skill level, but it won't make a better player. Like for instance, suppose someone is an awesome marauder player, exceptionally good, but he only has 116k HP when he loads into a match. He can probably run circles around a player that has 128k hp but has horrible timing, spams all there dcds, and tries to face tank everything. In the end, gear didn't matter for the guy with 128k because he was simply outplayed. However, imagine if the marauder had the same gear. Then it wouldn't even be close, he would tear that guy up. So in the end gear matters, but skill, knowing your rotations and handling pressure is what makes or breaks the deal in most arena matches. Also, play an OP class helps too. xD This. Gear isn't the end-all-be-all and very skilled players in 230s or 236s can make short work of unskilled players in 242s or 248s. That being said however it would be equally incorrect to claim that gear does not matter at all. Pit two players of more or less equal skill against one another in specs that match up relatively well, and the one with the better gear is going to have an advantage. One rather obvious advantage is that the higher geared player will have a deeper health pool, and that isn't the only advantage. How can anyone honestly claim that isn't an edge? If someone truly thinks gear does not matter at all they should create a new character in a spec that are they are already very familiar with and skilled at playing. As that person's gear gradually improves from 228s to 248s they will see their DPS or HPS numbers rise correspondingly. Since they are playing a spec they're already skilled with, experience isn't the factor, it's the gear upgrades. Edited September 21, 2017 by Aeneas_Falco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrM-InOsItOl Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Left all my legacy stuff in my bank. NP. https://imgur.com/a/SLzQE Stop whining about gear and play. Don't worry bro, haters gonna hate. Other healers wish they could play to your level of not using utilities and gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beyrahl Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 dank aoe am impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 There is no spoon! 42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace_boogie Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 All I got from this thread is that OP is wild corny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcendent Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 where the tiniest miss/late button push means your death. Or just piss poor game engine network coding that doesn't update the server on where a player actually is. Which seems to be happening more lately. Anyway, well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 There is also a post on reddit now where a guy made a video about "gear doesnt matter". Funny is he played imp side ofc against a team of noob/rpers what is this trend surfacing now about people wanting to prove that you dont need gear for PVP?? Its nonsence! Those are just lucky matches where people dont get serious oposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) There is also a post on reddit now where a guy made a video about "gear doesnt matter". Funny is he played imp side ofc against a team of noob/rpers what is this trend surfacing now about people wanting to prove that you dont need gear for PVP?? Its nonsence! Those are just lucky matches where people dont get serious oposition. I did a response post a couple of pages ago on how we tend to perceive the world, I'm sure there's pvpers that are skilled enough and in an knowingly environment can put out numbers that are considered brilliant. BUT. the thing is that every average Joe does get better in an knowingly environment, AND those guy's that, hopefully not even using 3d party ToS violating hardware aka Macros, are very few. To compare and demand that every average Joe should put out the same as those few players are not only Silly but also plain ignorant. Anyone who's ever leveled through low- and midbies know that gear matters, and that purple is better than green, what happened now to pvp is that top teir pvp is a continuation of low- and midbie pvp, where in fact gear matters for thos who not belongs to the top 1%. Edited September 25, 2017 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) I did a response post a couple of pages ago on how we tend to perceive the world, I'm sure there's pvpers that are skilled enough and in an knowingly environment can put out numbers that are considered brilliant. BUT. the thing is that every average Joe does get better in an knowingly environment, AND those guy's that, hopefully not even using 3d party ToS violating hardware aka Macros, are very few. To compare and demand that every average Joe should put out the same as those few players are not only Silly but also plain ignorant. Anyone who's ever leveled through low- and midbies know that gear matters, and that purple is better than green, what happened now to pvp is that top teir pvp is a continuation of low- and midbie pvp, where in fact gear matters for thos who not belongs to the top 1%. Now the thread is finally getting somewhere. Mr. SJW states that if my mommy had loved me more, I'd have more empathy for those that suck at PvP and would have thought more about their feelings before making this thread. Well, jokes on you, I had two dads and they loved me a minimum of 2 times per week, again, without gear on. Edited September 25, 2017 by Wimbleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Anyone who's ever leveled through low- and midbies know that gear matters, and that purple is better than green, what happened now to pvp is that top teir pvp is a continuation of low- and midbie pvp, where in fact gear matters for thos who not belongs to the top 1%. I remember the times when they raised level and i had my full Brutalizer gear and went into midbies. I was really ripping ppl apart in midbies due to that. Anyway what I wanted to say I leveled a toon to 70 last week and did a little PVP while at it. It was A BLAST!! I mean I was king of the hill, one eyed man among the blind, it was simply incredible. Most matches I was immortal etc, I mean it was sooo fun to see so many noob players there. I take back everything I said about Icykill playing midbdies But in those wzs u could clearly see how gear does not matter (i had the 208 initial blues from 65 token toon) but skill was very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Now the thread is finally getting somewhere. Mr. SJW states that if my mommy had loved me more, I'd have more empathy for those that suck at PvP and would have thought more about their feelings before making this thread. Well, jokes on you, I had two dads and they loved me a minimum of 2 times per week, again, without gear on. Well looks like u got me there mate, on the other hand . . . “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshfoust Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 There is also a post on reddit now where a guy made a video about "gear doesnt matter". Funny is he played imp side ofc against a team of noob/rpers what is this trend surfacing now about people wanting to prove that you dont need gear for PVP?? Its nonsence! Those are just lucky matches where people dont get serious oposition. Ohhh i remember that video. Because I made it in honor of this thread's op. So thank you op <------- Thats the video btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Ohhh i remember that video. Because I made it in honor of this thread's op. So thank you op <------- Thats the video btw. Well done sir! Let me know if you want a no-gear healer to join you, I'd be happy to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Well looks like u got me there mate, on the other hand . . . “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” -Mark Twain Ok, I'll stop arguing with you then, I wouldn't want onlookers to think ill of me on the interwebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merovejec Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Well done sir! Let me know if you want a no-gear healer to join you, I'd be happy to. yeah lets all go no-gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Strrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak party yeayea Edited September 29, 2017 by Wimbleton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackPol Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Good stuff. Gear doesnt matter, get it in your head people. Stop complainin, enjoy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Good stuff. Gear doesnt matter, get it in your head people. Stop complainin, enjoy the game. Wrong. Gear does matter. A rather obvious area in which gear provides an advantage is giving you a deeper health pool. A deeper health pool means more up time damaging or healing or guarding. It could also mean not being the focus in an arena. It's also not the only advantage that gear provides. If two players of roughly equal skill get involved in a one-on-one fight the one with the better gear is going to have an advantage. The OP likely got away with it either because he was up against a greatly inferior team, always had company and was left to freecast, or had a pocket tank or healer or both. Gear isn't the end-all-and-be-all for PVP but to claim that it does not matter at all is simply ridiculous. To anyone who doesn't think gear matters: Create a new PVP toon in a class you already know how to play very well. Record the damage or healing you dish out with each match after hitting level 70. You'll notice that with some exceptions, you generally dish out more damage or healing as your gear level progresses. Since this isn't a new class for you, obviously experience isn't the determining factor in your improvement. It's your gear. Edited October 2, 2017 by Aeneas_Falco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake_Chambers Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 While player skill is the most important factor, gear can provide a noticeable advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 Gear makes me a better person IRL. Which is why I'm full 248 in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foambreaker Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 242 Bolster in 8 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbleton Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 And then 15 mins after servers are up, pewpers going to be like "wait, I thought this bolster change would make me better?!?!" Lewl, git pewpton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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